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Meeting of the Parliament (Hybrid) 08 September 2020

08 Sep 2020 · S5 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Baroness Cumberlege Report
Cameron, Donald Con Highlands and Islands Watch on SPTV

I accept that there were issues around that. However, my point is that three MSPs from different political parties getting together to play a role in getting things to where we are now is a fine example of political differences being put to one side for the greater good in pursuance of such an important cause.

I also note that, although the report is overarching and clearly exposes significant system-wide failures, it is true to say that many clinicians do an excellent job, are respectful of their patients and want the best outcomes for them.

I turn now to the substance of the report, which was commissioned by the former UK Secretary of State for Health, Jeremy Hunt. Its recommendations are primarily focused on England. Baroness Cumberlege has called on Scotland to lead the way in implementing her report’s recommendations, where appropriate. That is why Scottish Conservatives welcome the commitment that was made in the programme for government, and which has been repeated today, to establish a patient safety commissioner as is recommended in the report. We will closely monitor implementation in order to ensure that whomever is appointed to the role has the clear support of patients and campaigners.

As has already been mentioned in the debate, one of the recurring themes of the mesh scandal is the lack of confidence in the system among women who have been affected. Neil Findlay spoke of that. I am afraid to say that there has been a history of kicking the can down the road and hoping that the problem would go away. When it comes to the mesh issue, trust in the Scottish Government and those who are responsible in the health service needs to be revitalised. That is an urgent imperative. This should not be the moment when the issue is yet again kicked into the long grass. If I know anything about the women who have campaigned so hard, it is that they will not let that happen—and we will not let it happen.

Although we note and welcome the recent announcement by the Scottish Government that it will provide additional support for patients, including the £1 million fund to support women with transvaginal mesh complications, and its announcement of the establishment of the national mesh removal service, we will carefully scrutinise the efficacy of both of those measures, taking into account the experiences and views of the women who have suffered from mesh implants.

However, that should not be the end of the road. For instance, we remain concerned by the inability of the Scottish Government to secure the vital services of the mesh removal specialist surgeon, Dr Veronikis. It is the clear wish and desire of patients’ groups, including Scottish Mesh Survivors, that the expertise of Dr Veronikis be secured.

Indeed, the inability to secure his services was described bluntly in Scottish Mesh Survivors’ most recent submission to the Public Petitions Committee, in which it said:

“Losing out on this opportunity was not only shameful, it left Scotland’s mesh injured women devastated, terrified, and unwilling to use the service of the very surgeons who had not only implanted them with the mesh which destroyed their lives, but had also campaigned to continue using the implants long after evidence showed devastating lifelong injuries were being inflicted on upwards of 30 per cent of patients”.

In the same item of business

The Presiding Officer (Ken Macintosh) NPA
The next item of business is a debate on motion S5M-22635, in the name of Jeane Freeman, on the Baroness Cumberlege report. I invite all members who wish to ...
The Cabinet Secretary for Health and Sport (Jeane Freeman) SNP
I start by welcoming the independent medicines and medical devices safety review—the Cumberlege report—and the opportunity in this Government debate to discu...
Neil Findlay (Lothian) (Lab) Lab
How many mesh women have been involved in the co-production and co-design of that service?
Jeane Freeman SNP
I was about to move on to that. Through the involvement of the Health and Social Care Alliance, which was actively involved in canvassing women’s views and w...
Neil Findlay Lab
Will the cabinet secretary give way?
Jeane Freeman SNP
I will in a moment. That will be in place as soon as those centres are established and will provide the opportunity to support advances in knowledge, techni...
Neil Findlay Lab
There is a multitude of questions about that service. The women themselves are asking those questions. They do not have faith in the way that the service has...
Jeane Freeman SNP
I accept the core of what Mr Findlay says about the importance of women having faith in the specialist service. Undoubtedly, one of the harms that has been d...
Donald Cameron (Highlands and Islands) (Con) Con
I highlight my entry in the register of members’ interests on an interest in health technologies. I am grateful for the opportunity to open for the Scottish...
Neil Findlay Lab
Is it not an indication of the extent of the scandal that, when Alex Neil did implement a suspension, health boards continued to implant mesh in another 1,00...
Donald Cameron Con
I accept that there were issues around that. However, my point is that three MSPs from different political parties getting together to play a role in getting...
Jeane Freeman SNP
Does Mr Cameron acknowledge that, as far as the Scottish Government and I, as the cabinet secretary, are concerned, the offer to Dr Veronikis remains open? T...
Neil Findlay Lab
On a point of order, Presiding Officer. I have a copy of a letter that was sent to the cabinet secretary six days ago. She has made no reference to it in he...
The Deputy Presiding Officer (Linda Fabiani) SNP
Mr Findlay, I see from my list that you have been put forward to open for Labour in the debate, so that will be your opportunity to contribute to the debate ...
Donald Cameron Con
Scottish Mesh Survivors has been clear; it took a firm view about the services of Dr Veronikis and the need for him to take action. Our amendment makes it c...
Neil Findlay (Lothian) (Lab) Lab
I thank Baroness Cumberlege for her excellent report. It stands in stark contrast to the discredited sham of a review that was conducted in Scotland a few ye...
Jeane Freeman SNP
Does the member accept that, in response to those situations, we have established an independent case review that will, using senior clinicians from outwith ...
Neil Findlay Lab
No. I am asking whether members would trust a surgeon who had caused such devastation to their lives to be the person to remove the mesh. I certainly would n...
Alison Johnstone (Lothian) (Green) Green
I know that all members will wish to pay tribute to all the people who have been affected by the failings in our health system as listed in the review. They ...
Neil Findlay Lab
Will the member accept that, given that the pressure for a suspension has come from the women themselves, it would be wise to pause for the questions to be a...
Alison Johnstone Green
Yes—many questions regarding the service remain, and I have some sympathy with the suggestion that there should be a temporary suspension to ensure that ther...
Alex Cole-Hamilton (Edinburgh Western) (LD) LD
I, too, recognise the work of Jackson Carlaw, Neil Findlay and Alex Neil on this issue. It has spanned my entire career in Parliament and has been awe inspir...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
We will now move to the open debate. We are already way over time and later contributions may have to be curtailed. Meanwhile, speeches should be up to six m...
Alex Neil (Airdrie and Shotts) (SNP) SNP
There are very few issues that unite all five parties in the Parliament, but all three issues that the Cumberlege report addresses significantly add to that ...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
Could you come to a close, please.
Alex Neil SNP
Finally, the patient decision aid should be used much more widely. Although MHRA reform is a reserved matter, all devolved governments should be heavily invo...
Brian Whittle (South Scotland) (Con) Con
I begin by pointing members to my register of interests, specifically my interest in healthcare technologies. I am pleased to have the opportunity to speak ...
Jeane Freeman SNP
Will the member take an intervention?
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
Mr Whittle cannot take an intervention; he is just closing.
Brian Whittle Con
Six years is too long. If the Covid crisis has taught us anything, it is that if there is a will, moves can be made swiftly. It is time that the women who su...