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Meeting of the Parliament (Hybrid) 08 September 2020

08 Sep 2020 · S5 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Baroness Cumberlege Report
Cameron, Donald Con Highlands and Islands Watch on SPTV

I highlight my entry in the register of members’ interests on an interest in health technologies.

I am grateful for the opportunity to open for the Scottish Conservatives. I recognise that the thorough and rigorous report by Baroness Cumberlege covers a wide variety of cases and issues, and I intend to cover some of them.

However, I begin by focusing on polypropylene mesh implants. The report was thorough on that matter, and it is clear from the often harrowing accounts about mesh implants by victims that swifter action should have been taken when concerns were first raised.

It is with that in mind that I pay tribute to several people who have been at the forefront of campaigning on the issue. First and foremost, I pay tribute to the many women who have campaigned and lobbied the Parliament and Scottish Government on mesh implants. Ever since I was elected as an MSP in 2016, the passion and persistence of the campaigners have been obvious to me and, indeed, to anyone else who is involved in politics in Scotland.

In particular, I note the efforts of Elaine Holmes and Olive McIlroy, who first raised the matter with Parliament through the Public Petitions Committee, back in 2014. Armed with more than 1,700 petition signatures, their efforts and determination from that point onwards, alongside the words of countless others, have not only helped to develop substantial change but have played a critical role in events that led to the development of the report. As Baroness Cumberlege noted,

“the Scottish women and their evidence played a substantial role and my hope is that Scotland will adopt my recommendations and ensure patients are listened to.”

I want to take this opportunity to pay tribute to three MSPs in the chamber whose contributions should be recognised and who will, no doubt, speak in later in the debate. The first is Jackson Carlaw. As Conservative health spokesperson in 2014, he met the campaigners, took up the issue on numerous occasions in Parliament and took evidence while on the Public Petitions Committee. He has been a champion for the many women who have been affected by mesh implants, and he continued campaigning on the subject even when it was out of the public glare.

I also pay tribute to two other members who have played critical roles in securing change. Neil Findlay and Alex Neil have been powerful advocates for women who have been affected by mesh in different ways. Both inside and outside the chamber, Neil Findlay has been a potent voice for those women, and he has not shied away from robustly holding the Scottish Government to account when it has dragged its heels. Alex Neil, who was the Cabinet Secretary for Health and Wellbeing when Elaine Holmes’s and Olive McIlroy’s petition first came to Parliament, was the one who listened to campaigners and requested suspension of the national health service’s use of mesh implants in Scotland, pending safety investigations.

In the same item of business

The Presiding Officer (Ken Macintosh) NPA
The next item of business is a debate on motion S5M-22635, in the name of Jeane Freeman, on the Baroness Cumberlege report. I invite all members who wish to ...
The Cabinet Secretary for Health and Sport (Jeane Freeman) SNP
I start by welcoming the independent medicines and medical devices safety review—the Cumberlege report—and the opportunity in this Government debate to discu...
Neil Findlay (Lothian) (Lab) Lab
How many mesh women have been involved in the co-production and co-design of that service?
Jeane Freeman SNP
I was about to move on to that. Through the involvement of the Health and Social Care Alliance, which was actively involved in canvassing women’s views and w...
Neil Findlay Lab
Will the cabinet secretary give way?
Jeane Freeman SNP
I will in a moment. That will be in place as soon as those centres are established and will provide the opportunity to support advances in knowledge, techni...
Neil Findlay Lab
There is a multitude of questions about that service. The women themselves are asking those questions. They do not have faith in the way that the service has...
Jeane Freeman SNP
I accept the core of what Mr Findlay says about the importance of women having faith in the specialist service. Undoubtedly, one of the harms that has been d...
Donald Cameron (Highlands and Islands) (Con) Con
I highlight my entry in the register of members’ interests on an interest in health technologies. I am grateful for the opportunity to open for the Scottish...
Neil Findlay Lab
Is it not an indication of the extent of the scandal that, when Alex Neil did implement a suspension, health boards continued to implant mesh in another 1,00...
Donald Cameron Con
I accept that there were issues around that. However, my point is that three MSPs from different political parties getting together to play a role in getting...
Jeane Freeman SNP
Does Mr Cameron acknowledge that, as far as the Scottish Government and I, as the cabinet secretary, are concerned, the offer to Dr Veronikis remains open? T...
Neil Findlay Lab
On a point of order, Presiding Officer. I have a copy of a letter that was sent to the cabinet secretary six days ago. She has made no reference to it in he...
The Deputy Presiding Officer (Linda Fabiani) SNP
Mr Findlay, I see from my list that you have been put forward to open for Labour in the debate, so that will be your opportunity to contribute to the debate ...
Donald Cameron Con
Scottish Mesh Survivors has been clear; it took a firm view about the services of Dr Veronikis and the need for him to take action. Our amendment makes it c...
Neil Findlay (Lothian) (Lab) Lab
I thank Baroness Cumberlege for her excellent report. It stands in stark contrast to the discredited sham of a review that was conducted in Scotland a few ye...
Jeane Freeman SNP
Does the member accept that, in response to those situations, we have established an independent case review that will, using senior clinicians from outwith ...
Neil Findlay Lab
No. I am asking whether members would trust a surgeon who had caused such devastation to their lives to be the person to remove the mesh. I certainly would n...
Alison Johnstone (Lothian) (Green) Green
I know that all members will wish to pay tribute to all the people who have been affected by the failings in our health system as listed in the review. They ...
Neil Findlay Lab
Will the member accept that, given that the pressure for a suspension has come from the women themselves, it would be wise to pause for the questions to be a...
Alison Johnstone Green
Yes—many questions regarding the service remain, and I have some sympathy with the suggestion that there should be a temporary suspension to ensure that ther...
Alex Cole-Hamilton (Edinburgh Western) (LD) LD
I, too, recognise the work of Jackson Carlaw, Neil Findlay and Alex Neil on this issue. It has spanned my entire career in Parliament and has been awe inspir...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
We will now move to the open debate. We are already way over time and later contributions may have to be curtailed. Meanwhile, speeches should be up to six m...
Alex Neil (Airdrie and Shotts) (SNP) SNP
There are very few issues that unite all five parties in the Parliament, but all three issues that the Cumberlege report addresses significantly add to that ...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
Could you come to a close, please.
Alex Neil SNP
Finally, the patient decision aid should be used much more widely. Although MHRA reform is a reserved matter, all devolved governments should be heavily invo...
Brian Whittle (South Scotland) (Con) Con
I begin by pointing members to my register of interests, specifically my interest in healthcare technologies. I am pleased to have the opportunity to speak ...
Jeane Freeman SNP
Will the member take an intervention?
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
Mr Whittle cannot take an intervention; he is just closing.
Brian Whittle Con
Six years is too long. If the Covid crisis has taught us anything, it is that if there is a will, moves can be made swiftly. It is time that the women who su...