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Meeting of the Parliament (Hybrid) 08 September 2020

08 Sep 2020 · S5 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Baroness Cumberlege Report
Freeman, Jeane SNP Carrick, Cumnock and Doon Valley Watch on SPTV

I accept the core of what Mr Findlay says about the importance of women having faith in the specialist service. Undoubtedly, one of the harms that has been done is the harm to trust—I accept that. However, the alliance has canvassed and reached large numbers of women, many of whom have written to me. Women want the service, notwithstanding the fact that there are questions that need to be answered. However, I do not think that it would serve them well to pause the service; rather, we should try to address all those questions while we continue to develop that work. I think that it is entirely possible to do both, hand in hand.

The close working partnership between the specialist service and the specialist centres in England will allow for benchmarking and peer review, and I hope that it will help to restore trust and confidence in our services. As such, we are happy to accept Jackson Carlaw’s amendment to the motion.

In respect of other specialist centres, my senior officials recently met patient groups and we are considering whether additional centres or services would be helpful for those affected by sodium valproate and Primodus, in line with the other review recommendations.

As members know, we have established a £1 million fund for women with mesh complications. The fund opened to applications on 1 July and runs through to next year. To date, 276 applications have been received.

The Cumberlege review makes an important recommendation on data. Members will be aware that patients expressed concerns about that area to the Public Petitions Committee. The MHRA has been working on a sodium valproate-specific registry, the aims of which include monitoring the use of valproate in women and girls across the UK, compliance with the current regulatory position and identifying and monitoring any children born to women taking that drug.

We have set up a device identifier programme unique to Scotland to develop a system for collecting data on implanted devices. Our aim is that the information that we collect, particularly when combined with similar information collected elsewhere in the UK, will allow for better quality assurance, comparison and peer review. We have agreed to work with NHS Digital on a UK-wide database of procedures that it is establishing. We will join the pilot, which has an initial focus on pelvic floor procedures, including those using mesh and related procedures. In the longer term, NHS Digital ultimately intends to capture information on procedures concerning all surgical devices and implants from NHS and private providers. Those are all important drivers of change and continuous improvement, and a key aim of the programme is to support NHS Scotland’s commitment to continuously improve patient safety.

I now turn to what I think is a key recommendation of Baroness Cumberlege’s report: the appointment of an independent patient safety commissioner. It is clear to me from not just her findings but my discussions with mesh-injured women, families and professionals that there is still work to be done to ensure that people are listened to and heard, and that their experiences are acknowledged and valued. They should not be experiencing additional distress when what they need is further care and support.

NHS Scotland carries the mantra “safe, effective and person-centred”; I believe in that absolutely, but I also know that there is more for us to do to deliver on it. People must be at the centre of the decisions that are made about their care. We fully expect clinicians to facilitate shared decision making, listen to their patients’ concerns and explain the risks and benefits of treatment options to allow them to make informed decisions. That is central to the principles of realistic medicine and should be fully embedded in the new specialist service for mesh complications. Indeed, when I met Baroness Cumberlege yesterday, she spoke at length about that. It is vital, and it is why we agree with Alison Johnstone’s amendment to the motion.

It is vital that patients have confidence that, every time that they access any part of the healthcare system, they will receive not only the information that they need to make an informed decision but the best available treatment without fear of harm. By creating a culture of openness and learning, everyone should feel able to share what has gone well but also what has gone wrong and what could have gone better. That will help us all to learn and to continually improve our services, our experiences and the outcomes that we seek. The challenge is to make that a reality and ensure that learning and improvement happen even when things go wrong.

Whether through boards or through the Scottish Public Services Ombudsman, there are established routes for patient feedback and complaints, but those routes are largely reactive, and it is clear that not everyone gets the outcome that they are looking for and not everyone feels that they have been properly listened to or that change will come from their feedback. As a result, relationships between patients and health and care providers break down, with patients losing faith in the service. That needs to be addressed, and establishing the patient safety commissioner role for Scotland is now a programme for government commitment.

The role will initially focus on improvements to patient safety around the use of medicines and medical devices, as set out in the review. The role must be proactive and enhance what we already have in place, with the emphasis on listening to and learning from people’s experiences and driving implementation to continually improve patient safety.

To get that right and make it work for patients, we must listen to them, so we will shortly begin a consultation to understand what patients want from the new role and then act to implement that as soon as possible. I am anxious that we do not delay in that area.

I hope that what I have set out makes it out abundantly clear that we take the findings of Baroness Cumberlege’s report seriously. Although there is a great deal of alignment between our thinking and our actions to date, her report gives us the opportunity, and arguably the impetus, to go further.

As we draw together our implementation steps, I am pleased that Baroness Cumberlege has accepted both my invitation to offer me advice on our delivery plan and my offer to support her as she seeks to ensure that the Governments of all four nations implement her recommendations.

As we move forward with that and put in place the detail and, in particular, the consultation on the patient safety commissioner, I will be happy to keep all members advised of our progress.

I move,

That the Parliament welcomes the recommendations made by Baroness Cumberlege in her report on the independent medicines and medical devices safety review; acknowledges the Scottish Government’s apology to women and families affected by Primodos, sodium valproate and transvaginal mesh; welcomes the Scottish Government’s commitment to establish a Patient Safety Commissioner, and notes the actions taken by the Scottish Government to offer improved services for women who have suffered complications as a result of transvaginal mesh.

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The Presiding Officer (Ken Macintosh) NPA
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The Cabinet Secretary for Health and Sport (Jeane Freeman) SNP
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Neil Findlay (Lothian) (Lab) Lab
How many mesh women have been involved in the co-production and co-design of that service?
Jeane Freeman SNP
I was about to move on to that. Through the involvement of the Health and Social Care Alliance, which was actively involved in canvassing women’s views and w...
Neil Findlay Lab
Will the cabinet secretary give way?
Jeane Freeman SNP
I will in a moment. That will be in place as soon as those centres are established and will provide the opportunity to support advances in knowledge, techni...
Neil Findlay Lab
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Jeane Freeman SNP
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Donald Cameron (Highlands and Islands) (Con) Con
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Neil Findlay Lab
Is it not an indication of the extent of the scandal that, when Alex Neil did implement a suspension, health boards continued to implant mesh in another 1,00...
Donald Cameron Con
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Does Mr Cameron acknowledge that, as far as the Scottish Government and I, as the cabinet secretary, are concerned, the offer to Dr Veronikis remains open? T...
Neil Findlay Lab
On a point of order, Presiding Officer. I have a copy of a letter that was sent to the cabinet secretary six days ago. She has made no reference to it in he...
The Deputy Presiding Officer (Linda Fabiani) SNP
Mr Findlay, I see from my list that you have been put forward to open for Labour in the debate, so that will be your opportunity to contribute to the debate ...
Donald Cameron Con
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Neil Findlay (Lothian) (Lab) Lab
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Jeane Freeman SNP
Does the member accept that, in response to those situations, we have established an independent case review that will, using senior clinicians from outwith ...
Neil Findlay Lab
No. I am asking whether members would trust a surgeon who had caused such devastation to their lives to be the person to remove the mesh. I certainly would n...
Alison Johnstone (Lothian) (Green) Green
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Neil Findlay Lab
Will the member accept that, given that the pressure for a suspension has come from the women themselves, it would be wise to pause for the questions to be a...
Alison Johnstone Green
Yes—many questions regarding the service remain, and I have some sympathy with the suggestion that there should be a temporary suspension to ensure that ther...
Alex Cole-Hamilton (Edinburgh Western) (LD) LD
I, too, recognise the work of Jackson Carlaw, Neil Findlay and Alex Neil on this issue. It has spanned my entire career in Parliament and has been awe inspir...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
We will now move to the open debate. We are already way over time and later contributions may have to be curtailed. Meanwhile, speeches should be up to six m...
Alex Neil (Airdrie and Shotts) (SNP) SNP
There are very few issues that unite all five parties in the Parliament, but all three issues that the Cumberlege report addresses significantly add to that ...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
Could you come to a close, please.
Alex Neil SNP
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Brian Whittle (South Scotland) (Con) Con
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Jeane Freeman SNP
Will the member take an intervention?
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
Mr Whittle cannot take an intervention; he is just closing.
Brian Whittle Con
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