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Meeting of the Parliament (Hybrid) 08 September 2020

08 Sep 2020 · S5 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Baroness Cumberlege Report
Freeman, Jeane SNP Carrick, Cumnock and Doon Valley Watch on SPTV

I start by welcoming the independent medicines and medical devices safety review—the Cumberlege report—and the opportunity in this Government debate to discuss its findings and their implementation in Scotland.

At the outset, I want to pay tribute to the many women in Scotland and across the United Kingdom who gave evidence to the review. That will have been very difficult for them to do, and I put on record my admiration of their courage and determination and their efforts in persistently raising issues over a number of years.

To all those directly harmed by mesh, sodium valproate and Primodos, I offer the Scottish Government’s sincere apology. I offer that apology to them and to those who have seen their children, family members, friends and colleagues suffer.

The review and its recommendations are of significant importance to us as we work to improve how the healthcare system responds to harm, and I am grateful to the review team for not only its work but how it has done that work.

I was pleased to be able to speak with Baroness Cumberlege and her team yesterday and to hear from her about the experience of the review’s work, the thinking behind the recommendations and her determination to see them acted on. I was able to confirm to her this Government’s commitment to implement all her recommendations where we have the power to do so, and to support her in convincing the UK Government to act on the recommendations that lie solely at its hand. I was grateful for her recognition that much of the work that we have under way is aligned to her recommendations.

Let me now set out our response to the recommendations. The independent medicines and medical devices safety review was commissioned by a former UK secretary of state for health and social care. Therefore, there are recommendations that only the UK Government, with its reserved responsibilities, can implement.

The regulation of medicines and medical devices is reserved to the UK Government, so the recommendation that says that the Medicines and Healthcare products Regulatory Agency should be subject to substantial reform is for the UK Government to implement.

However, I strongly support that recommendation. We have long argued for reform of the assessment of medicine and medical device safety. We have communicated directly with the MHRA on that and have been disappointed that the MHRA believes that its assessment systems are fit for purpose. I gave Baroness Cumberlege my assurance that we will use the avenues that are available to us to press the UK Government to act positively and swiftly to review that body, with patient safety at the heart of that.

The recommendations in relation to the General Medical Council will require consideration by that organisation, particularly around transparency of payments to clinicians and expansion of the GMC’s register. In Scotland, we have established a declarations of interest steering group that aims to formulate a common set of principles for the identification and management of declarations of interest across NHS Scotland and related sectors. The group is due to complete its work early next year, and I hope that that will help to inform the GMC’s response.

I turn to recommendations 3, 4 and 5. I understand that those who have suffered harm as a result of these treatments want redress, not only financially—although that is important—but in the form of access to appropriate, on-going care that addresses the consequences of the harm that they have experienced. That is both right and fair.

I welcome the approach taken in seeing the redress agency as independent, funded in part by the pharmaceutical and medical device manufacturers and adopting a non-adversarial approach that looks to base determinations on avoidable harm through systemic failures. That is critically important, and it is a recommendation that we support. It is important not only for the individuals involved, but for the healthcare system as a whole. That approach will allow us to learn from the determinations of that body and to apply that learning to improve patient safety.

The review recommends the establishment of specialist centres. As members know, we have invested £5.1 million over three years in a new complex pelvic mesh removal service in Glasgow, which was designated as a national service in July this year. The service will assess all a woman’s relevant health needs and, subject to fully-informed agreement, will offer vaginal mesh removal surgery for women over 16 who have mesh complications from mesh insertion, vaginally or abdominally, for urinary incontinence and prolapse.

In the same item of business

The Presiding Officer (Ken Macintosh) NPA
The next item of business is a debate on motion S5M-22635, in the name of Jeane Freeman, on the Baroness Cumberlege report. I invite all members who wish to ...
The Cabinet Secretary for Health and Sport (Jeane Freeman) SNP
I start by welcoming the independent medicines and medical devices safety review—the Cumberlege report—and the opportunity in this Government debate to discu...
Neil Findlay (Lothian) (Lab) Lab
How many mesh women have been involved in the co-production and co-design of that service?
Jeane Freeman SNP
I was about to move on to that. Through the involvement of the Health and Social Care Alliance, which was actively involved in canvassing women’s views and w...
Neil Findlay Lab
Will the cabinet secretary give way?
Jeane Freeman SNP
I will in a moment. That will be in place as soon as those centres are established and will provide the opportunity to support advances in knowledge, techni...
Neil Findlay Lab
There is a multitude of questions about that service. The women themselves are asking those questions. They do not have faith in the way that the service has...
Jeane Freeman SNP
I accept the core of what Mr Findlay says about the importance of women having faith in the specialist service. Undoubtedly, one of the harms that has been d...
Donald Cameron (Highlands and Islands) (Con) Con
I highlight my entry in the register of members’ interests on an interest in health technologies. I am grateful for the opportunity to open for the Scottish...
Neil Findlay Lab
Is it not an indication of the extent of the scandal that, when Alex Neil did implement a suspension, health boards continued to implant mesh in another 1,00...
Donald Cameron Con
I accept that there were issues around that. However, my point is that three MSPs from different political parties getting together to play a role in getting...
Jeane Freeman SNP
Does Mr Cameron acknowledge that, as far as the Scottish Government and I, as the cabinet secretary, are concerned, the offer to Dr Veronikis remains open? T...
Neil Findlay Lab
On a point of order, Presiding Officer. I have a copy of a letter that was sent to the cabinet secretary six days ago. She has made no reference to it in he...
The Deputy Presiding Officer (Linda Fabiani) SNP
Mr Findlay, I see from my list that you have been put forward to open for Labour in the debate, so that will be your opportunity to contribute to the debate ...
Donald Cameron Con
Scottish Mesh Survivors has been clear; it took a firm view about the services of Dr Veronikis and the need for him to take action. Our amendment makes it c...
Neil Findlay (Lothian) (Lab) Lab
I thank Baroness Cumberlege for her excellent report. It stands in stark contrast to the discredited sham of a review that was conducted in Scotland a few ye...
Jeane Freeman SNP
Does the member accept that, in response to those situations, we have established an independent case review that will, using senior clinicians from outwith ...
Neil Findlay Lab
No. I am asking whether members would trust a surgeon who had caused such devastation to their lives to be the person to remove the mesh. I certainly would n...
Alison Johnstone (Lothian) (Green) Green
I know that all members will wish to pay tribute to all the people who have been affected by the failings in our health system as listed in the review. They ...
Neil Findlay Lab
Will the member accept that, given that the pressure for a suspension has come from the women themselves, it would be wise to pause for the questions to be a...
Alison Johnstone Green
Yes—many questions regarding the service remain, and I have some sympathy with the suggestion that there should be a temporary suspension to ensure that ther...
Alex Cole-Hamilton (Edinburgh Western) (LD) LD
I, too, recognise the work of Jackson Carlaw, Neil Findlay and Alex Neil on this issue. It has spanned my entire career in Parliament and has been awe inspir...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
We will now move to the open debate. We are already way over time and later contributions may have to be curtailed. Meanwhile, speeches should be up to six m...
Alex Neil (Airdrie and Shotts) (SNP) SNP
There are very few issues that unite all five parties in the Parliament, but all three issues that the Cumberlege report addresses significantly add to that ...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
Could you come to a close, please.
Alex Neil SNP
Finally, the patient decision aid should be used much more widely. Although MHRA reform is a reserved matter, all devolved governments should be heavily invo...
Brian Whittle (South Scotland) (Con) Con
I begin by pointing members to my register of interests, specifically my interest in healthcare technologies. I am pleased to have the opportunity to speak ...
Jeane Freeman SNP
Will the member take an intervention?
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
Mr Whittle cannot take an intervention; he is just closing.
Brian Whittle Con
Six years is too long. If the Covid crisis has taught us anything, it is that if there is a will, moves can be made swiftly. It is time that the women who su...