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COVID-19 Committee 19 May 2020

19 May 2020 · S5 · COVID-19 Committee
Item of business
Coronavirus (Scotland) (No 2) Bill: Stage 2
As Andy Wightman said, many tenants will face severe economic hardship due to Covid-19. Government should seriously consider the importance of trying to avoid building up debt for tenants during this period and should consider the wider social implications if people are unable to hold on to their tenancies, building up huge arrears and debt. Although I have accepted from the beginning that the Government has done a great deal, I do not believe that it has gone far enough. Graham Simpson is right to point out that there could be an option to expand the welfare fund but, like Andy Wightman, I believe that there will be a wider range of people who need help and who are not on universal credit. Amendment 22 seeks to set up a tenant rent support fund, because I believe that a wide range of tenants will be affected. I agree with Andy Wightman that Government policy must be aimed at ensuring that no one loses their home because of Covid-19. A range of tenants may need help, including key workers and nurses. We also need to anticipate what might happen at the end of the period. Although we have an analysis of what is going on now, we need to think about what the severe implications might be for the future. During the passage of the first emergency bill, I raised the idea of a fund to assist people who are affected by having a reduced income as a result of Covid-19—it is important to emphasise that the reduced income must relate to Covid-19. Amendment 22 would allow ministers to set up a support fund for tenants who have fallen through the gaps of universal credit or who are short of rent. It would be for ministers to set the rules on that. Amendment 16, in the name of Andy Wightman, on a tenant hardship fund, seems to do the same thing as amendment 22, and I ask members to support that as an alternative to my amendment. On amendment 17, which would provide a rent freeze for all tenants, Andy Wightman needs to address the question of the impact that that would have on local authorities and registered social landlords. We all have a great deal of sympathy for a rent freeze in the sector and for the wider benefits to society of trying to stabilise tenancies, but that needs to be weighed against the losses that will be experienced by councils and registered social landlords, in particular. Amendment 18 proposes a disregard for rent arrears. That could be crucial in stopping debt and preventing people from losing their homes and is definitely worthy of consideration. Amendment 19 seems quite sensible in suggesting that rent arrears cannot be grounds for eviction. That is an important principle. Finally, Amendment 20 is in line with my own views, which I made clear during the passage of the first emergency bill. Arrears should not be grounds for eviction, in line with the Government’s no-evictions policy.

In the same item of business

The Convener (Murdo Fraser) Con
Good morning, and welcome to the fifth meeting of the COVID-19 Committee. The only item on our agenda today is stage 2 consideration of the Coronavirus (Scot...
Annabelle Ewing (Cowdenbeath) (SNP) SNP
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Neil Findlay (Lothian) (Lab) Lab
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The Convener Con
We come to the stage 2 proceedings. Members will have in front of them the marshalled list, which shows the order in which amendments will be considered. Se...
The Convener Con
The first group of amendments is on housing and tenancies. Amendment 15, in the name of Graham Simpson, is grouped with amendments 16, 22, 17 to 20, 42, 46 a...
Graham Simpson (Central Scotland) (Con) Con
Good morning, everyone. Good luck today—I know that you have a lot to get through. I have the convener’s words that we should keep things brief ringing in my...
The Convener Con
I remind members that if they want to contribute to the discussion on the amendments, they must type “R” in the message box, please.
Andy Wightman (Lothian) (Green) Green
As members are aware, the first coronavirus bill—the Coronavirus (Scotland) Bill—provided welcome protection for tenants by ensuring that notice periods for ...
The Convener Con
Pauline McNeill will speak to amendment 22 and other amendments in the group.
Pauline McNeill (Glasgow) (Lab) Lab
As Andy Wightman said, many tenants will face severe economic hardship due to Covid-19. Government should seriously consider the importance of trying to avoi...
The Convener Con
As no other members wish to speak at this point, we will hear from the minister.
The Minister for Local Government, Housing and Planning (Kevin Stewart) SNP
There are several amendments in the group, and I will address each in turn. I will start with amendment 15, in the name of Graham Simpson. I thank Mr Simpso...
The Convener Con
Thank you, minister. As you have said, that was a comprehensive assessment of the group.
Graham Simpson Con
I thank members who have taken part in the discussion on the group, and I thank the minister for what was, as has been said, a comprehensive look at all the ...
The Convener Con
Amendment 16 is in the name of Andy Wightman. Because the technology that we are using does not allow interventions, it is reasonable to allow members who ha...
Andy Wightman Green
Thank you, convener. I will move amendment 16. The minister said that no landlord should evict a tenant because of coronavirus, but the reality is that tena...
The Convener Con
The question is, that amendment 16 be agreed to. Are we agreed? Members: No.
The Convener Con
There will be a division. For Greer, Ross (West Scotland) (Green) Lennon, Monica (Central Scotland) (Lab) Wishart, Beatrice (Shetland Islands) (LD) Agai...
The Convener Con
The result of the division is: For 3, Against 6, Abstentions 0. Amendment 16 disagreed to.
The Convener Con
Amendment 22, in the name of Pauline McNeill, has already been debated with amendment 15. I invite Pauline McNeill to respond briefly to the debate, if she w...
Pauline McNeill Lab
I will move amendment 22. I agree with Andy Wightman that tenants will potentially be evicted from their homes if we do not take a more radical approach to ...
The Convener Con
The question is, that amendment 22 be agreed to. Are we agreed? Members: No.
The Convener Con
There will be a division. For Greer, Ross (West Scotland) (Green) Lennon, Monica (Central Scotland) (Lab) Wishart, Beatrice (Shetland Islands) (LD) Agai...
The Convener Con
The result of the division is: For 3, Against 6, Abstentions 0. Amendment 22 disagreed to. Amendment 17 moved—Andy Wightman.
The Convener Con
The question is, that amendment 17 be agreed to. Are we agreed? Members: No.
The Convener Con
There will be a division. For Greer, Ross (West Scotland) (Green) Lennon, Monica (Central Scotland) (Lab) Against Coffey, Willie (Kilmarnock and Irvine ...
The Convener Con
The result of the division is: For 2, Against 7, Abstentions 0. Amendment 17 disagreed to. Amendment 18 moved—Andy Wightman.
The Convener Con
The question is, that amendment 18 be agreed to. Are we agreed? Members: No.
The Convener Con
There will be a division. For Greer, Ross (West Scotland) (Green) Lennon, Monica (Central Scotland) (Lab) Against Coffey, Willie (Kilmarnock and Irvine ...
The Convener Con
The result of the division is: For 2, Against 7, Abstentions 0. Amendment 18 disagreed to. Amendment 19 moved—Andy Wightman.