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European and External Relations Committee, 13 Mar 2007

13 Mar 2007 · S2 · European and External Relations Committee
Item of business
Finland Study Trip
I will not say much because most of the issues have been covered. My overriding impression was that there was a lot that we could learn but that we should not be so naive as to think that we could just transplant the Finnish model in Scotland, because there are quite a few fundamental differences between the two countries.In his article—which I hope everyone will read—Douglas Fraser concentrated on the level of trust that exists in Finland, which goes further than the trust that exists between teachers, pupils and parents, for example. There is a degree of trust between the population and the Government, which I found astounding. If the Finnish Government says that something should be done, it is not questioned in any significant way. In general, the population believe that if the Government and the Parliament have said that a particular measure should be taken, that must be the best way forward. There is much in the country's fairly recent history that suggests why that might be the case. I found that to be an important factor in Finland's ability to move forward in certain regards.An example of that is Finland's knowledge economy which, as Phil Gallie said, is about more than just business—it embraces the population as a whole. People do all sorts of things online, including direct interaction with the Government. We know that if such a proposal were made here, people would not trust what the information that they were asked to provide would be used for.Like Phil Gallie, I was impressed by the Finnish Committee for the Future at the outset, but then I began to wonder whether it was as relevant as we first thought. Later on, I picked up that when we asked questions about it, there was sometimes no understanding of why we felt it necessary to ask such questions because of course things would be that way. Perhaps that goes back to the issue of trust that I mentioned.That led me to think about our futures forum, which has roots in the Finnish model, and whether it is possible for such a forum to make an impact on futures thinking if it is not mainstreamed in such a way that it is insisted that the findings are considered consensually. Our futures forum is not like that—its considerations take place outside the Parliament. When its reports come to parliamentarians and decision makers, we tend to look at them and think that their recommendations sound quite good, but then we put them aside because there is no impetus to push matters forward.

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The Convener: SNP
Item 4 is a report back to the full committee on the European Commission-funded study trip that Bruce Crawford, Phil Gallie, Dennis Canavan and I took part i...
Dennis Canavan: Ind
I found it an interesting and informative visit and I would like to give some of my general impressions.Finland is an interesting country in that it manages ...
Bruce Crawford: SNP
I, too, thank the European Commission for setting up what was a very useful trip, although it was a bit packed. By the end of it, a bit of overload was going...
Phil Gallie: Con
Dennis Canavan and Bruce Crawford have covered many of the points that I wanted to make, so I will add just one or two.One reason why we went to Finland was ...
The Convener: SNP
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Phil Gallie: Con
An important aspect of that committee is its emphasis on the long term rather than the short term.
The Convener: SNP
In my opinion, long-term thinking is something that we lack in politics in our country.My final point about what I learned is worth putting on the record bec...
Phil Gallie: Con
Will ex-members get a copy?
The Convener: SNP
Phil, I would never dream of not asking you to comment on the report before it is published. I ask Jim Johnston to make a note of that.
Irene Oldfather: Lab
I thank members for a very interesting update on their visit. I was sorry that I was not able to join you, but I had accepted a speaking engagement in Ayrshi...
The Convener: SNP
On that sombre note, are members content with the course of action that has been outlined?Members indicated agreement.