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Meeting of the Parliament (Hybrid) 24 June 2020

24 Jun 2020 · S5 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Social Security Administration and Tribunal Membership (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

The bill would appear to significantly increase the workload for the Scottish Courts and Tribunals Service—or at least it has the potential to do so—in dealing with devolved social security. I welcome the measures to make the scrutiny and justice mechanisms for those devolved benefits more robust, for example through the creation of statutory fraud offences in relation to section 79 of the 2018 act, in addition to allowing ministers to make provision in regulations for the investigation of allegations.

As I have said, however, the upshot of those measures is likely to be a volume of additional cases, and it is vital, as the Law Society of Scotland noted in its written evidence, that the temporary appointment of other types of judge to sit on the tribunals should be just that: temporary only. The only realistic and long-term solution is permanent provision, support and resourcing for those at tribunal level with expertise in social security matters. Otherwise, we are liable to end up with the consequences of potentially bad decisions doing the system down. The current proposals should perhaps even be time limited, and it might even be appropriate for something of that nature to be included in the bill through amendment at stage 2.

The provisions made for the recognition of individuals capable of diagnosing a terminal illness, as outlined in section 7, are welcome. That measure is likely to be the correct decision to expand the definition to an “appropriate healthcare professional” in order to speed up the process for disability assistance claims, for instance.

After the passing of the 2018 act, the consultation that was carried out to develop guidance by the chief medical officer to complement the act found that the majority of DS1500s—being the form used by the DWP to certify terminal illness—were in fact completed by nurses. As a way to bring oversight of the existing act into line with UK practice at the DWP level, the measures are therefore welcomed.

In conclusion, the regulations that will follow from the legislation and set out the professional criteria for appropriate healthcare professionals need to be specific, rigorous and of a high quality, despite the Government’s apparent reluctance to clarify in primary legislation which particular job titles would qualify. I look forward with anticipation to the stage 2 proceedings and greater clarification in those areas. The Scottish Government’s responsibility for social security payments as part of the devolution settlement is significant and must be carried out in a thoroughly careful and cautious fashion.

16:10  

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Mark Griffin (Central Scotland) (Lab) Lab
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Alison Johnstone (Lothian) (Green) Green
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The Deputy Presiding Officer (Linda Fabiani) SNP
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Keith Brown (Clackmannanshire and Dunblane) (SNP) SNP
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Brian Whittle (South Scotland) (Con) Con
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Clare Adamson (Motherwell and Wishaw) (SNP) SNP
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Gordon Lindhurst (Lothian) (Con) Con
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Pauline McNeill (Glasgow) (Lab) Lab
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Jeremy Balfour (Lothian) (Con) Con
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Shirley-Anne Somerville SNP
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Graham Simpson Con
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Shirley-Anne Somerville SNP
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The Presiding Officer NPA
That concludes the stage 1 debate on the Social Security Administration and Tribunal Membership (Scotland) Bill.