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Meeting of the Parliament (Hybrid) 10 June 2020

10 Jun 2020 · S5 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Disclosure (Scotland) Bill
Mackay, Rona SNP Strathkelvin and Bearsden Watch on SPTV

I am happy to speak in the stage 3 debate on a bill that is incredibly important to the Scottish Government’s ability to protect the most vulnerable in society. In a nutshell, if passed today the bill will modernise and improve proportionality in the disclosure system, balancing public protection with the right to move on from past offences. It is a progressive and necessary bill. Significant amendment and improvements have been made in its journey from stage 1, and I thoroughly recommend that it is passed. As we have heard, it is a detailed bill with many parts and I commend the minister and her officials for getting it into such a good place.

The Law Society and COSLA support the development of a simplified regime for disclosure in Scotland, balancing an individual’s right to privacy with protection of the public interest, and acknowledge that the current disclosure regime is complex and difficult to navigate. As Daniel Johnson said, the two-part test was greatly debated in committee. The Scottish Government and Disclosure Scotland have outlined the approach on statutory and non-statutory guidance and the Law Society is keen to contribute to that work.

One of the most vital parts of the bill relates to childhood offending; children should not serve a lifetime sentence of discrimination and unemployability for offences in childhood, many of which were a result of adverse childhood experiences. The bill will end automatic disclosure of convictions that were accrued between the ages of 12 and 17.

For adults, the fundamental aim of the disclosure regime is to balance public protection with the right to move on from past offences. A theme of the policy discussions is how care-experienced young people can be particularly susceptible to becoming involved with criminal justice agencies, as the minister and the convener articulated. One care-experienced witness, Robert Dorrian, said that

“care-experienced individuals often self-exclude, which cannot be quantified ... Our members have told us that childhood convictions have prevented them from moving on from their past.”—[Official Report, Education and Skills Committee, 13 November 2019; c 6.]

That needs to change and the bill is an opportunity for that change.

The bill will simplify and modernise the disclosure system, with applications being made online. With digital applications and disclosures, the process is expected to be faster. However, the committee welcomed reassurances from Disclosure Scotland that non-digital means of seeking disclosures will remain.

I am delighted that amendment 25 defined the meaning of domestic abuse and I thank Women’s Aid for its involvement in that. Alex Cole-Hamilton’s amendments to the bill were withdrawn, but I was pleased to hear of the working group proposal that was outlined by the minister.

The bill is hugely progressive and will strike the balance between protection and allowing people to move on with their lives. I am happy to support it at stage 3.

In the same item of business

The Deputy Presiding Officer (Linda Fabiani) SNP
The next item of business is the stage 3 debate on motion S5M-21976, in the name of Maree Todd, on the Disclosure (Scotland) Bill. We are already late in st...
The Minister for Children and Young People (Maree Todd) SNP
I am pleased to open the stage 3 debate on the Disclosure (Scotland) Bill. First, I thank the members and clerks of the Education and Skills Committee for th...
Jamie Greene (West Scotland) (Con) Con
I thank members for their patience this evening. We have got to a stage at which the legislation has been appropriately amended and can be passed. I was new ...
Iain Gray (East Lothian) (Lab) Lab
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Ross Greer (West Scotland) (Green) Green
I start by reminding members that I am a current member of the PVG scheme, through the Church of Scotland. Rehabilitation and reintegration into society for...
Beatrice Wishart (Shetland Islands) (LD) LD
This debate concludes my first full experience of scrutinising legislation in the Scottish Parliament since I was elected last summer. I record my thanks to ...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
We move to the open debate, with speeches of four minutes. We are already quite well over time, so brevity would be appreciated by everyone. 18:33
Clare Adamson (Motherwell and Wishaw) (SNP) SNP
I thank colleagues who have already covered many of the points that I wanted to make about the Disclosure (Scotland) Bill. I am very thankful to our clerks a...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
We seem to have lost Jeremy Balfour—I hope, just temporarily. In the meantime, I call Daniel Johnson. 18:37
Daniel Johnson (Edinburgh Southern) (Lab) Lab
Thank you, Presiding Officer. I am sorry—you caught me off guard there. There are only 23 minutes left before we all want to be out of here, so I will try t...
Rona Mackay (Strathkelvin and Bearsden) (SNP) SNP
I am happy to speak in the stage 3 debate on a bill that is incredibly important to the Scottish Government’s ability to protect the most vulnerable in socie...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
I am afraid that we have not been able to get Mr Balfour back—oh, he has arrived just in the nick of time. We have not made up all the time that I was hoping...
Jeremy Balfour (Lothian) (Con) Con
I apologise, Presiding Officer. I will keep my comments brief; technology let me down there. Unlike other members who have spoken so far in the debate, I co...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
Thank you, Mr Balfour. I am glad that you finally managed to join the debate. We move to the closing speeches. We are not too bad for time—you have up to fo...
Iain Gray Lab
I hear the “up to four minutes”, Presiding Officer. We find ourselves in the twilight of a wet Wednesday, in a sparsely populated chamber, in the middle of a...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
I do not think that your card is in properly, Mr Halcro Johnston. In fact, it is not in at all. It is not as if we have all the time in the world here. Laugh...
Jamie Halcro Johnston (Highlands and Islands) (Con) Con
My apologies, Presiding Officer. I thank all my fellow speakers for giving me so much time to expand on the points that I want to make today. Increasingly, ...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
Given how things have gone, I ask the minister to speak for a wee bit longer than her allotted time. Laughter. It would be useful if you could take us to jus...
Maree Todd SNP
Thank you, Presiding Officer. I am hastily replacing all the pages in my speech. I thank all members for their contributions today. Again, I thank the Educa...
Daniel Johnson Lab
Will the minister reflect on the point about the police, which the GTCS said are also part of the issues that it faces in obtaining the information?
Maree Todd SNP
I am certainly happy to work to continue to improve the information-sharing relationship, because it is important. I have to make clear that if new informati...