Committee
COVID-19 Committee 19 May 2020
19 May 2020 · S5 · COVID-19 Committee
Item of business
Coronavirus (Scotland) (No 2) Bill: Stage 2
As members are aware, the first coronavirus bill—the Coronavirus (Scotland) Bill—provided welcome protection for tenants by ensuring that notice periods for eviction would be extended beyond the current statutory limits. The approach ensures that, for tenants who are evicted during the emergency period, there is a longer period before they actually have to leave their homes. I lodged amendments to that bill that sought to ban the bringing of eviction proceedings during the emergency period, but my amendments were defeated. As we consider the Coronavirus (Scotland) (No 2) Bill, I want to provide further protection for tenants, including beyond the end of the emergency period, when it is anticipated that tenants will remain vulnerable to eviction as a result of the financial hardship that they have experienced during this period. I will briefly summarise my amendments in this group; last night, I circulated to committee members a note on their purpose and effect. Amendments 16 to 20 would apply to all statutory tenants—social and private. If committee members are concerned about whether the amendments should apply to all social tenants and/or private tenants, we can discuss their concerns and perhaps make changes at stage 3, if that is deemed necessary. 09:15 Amendment 16 is designed to relieve hardship for tenants by placing a duty on Scottish ministers to establish a tenant hardship fund. Ministers were quick to establish the landlord loan fund, but tenants who face hardship—and we heard this from Mr Simpson—will have to rely on the benefit system. That is useless to many private tenants: it does not adequately cover their rental liabilities, particularly in expensive areas such as Edinburgh. The detailed eligibility and administrative criteria for the fund would be left to ministers to set out through regulations. Amendment 17 recognises that existing hardships will be exacerbated if tenants face rent increases during and after the emergency period. To provide some certainty amid so much uncertainty, amendment 17 freezes rents at the level they are on the day of royal assent for a period of two years and prohibits any increase in rent during that period. If there are concerns about the date, in light of what Mr Simpson said about landlords reducing rents, it could be changed to, for example, 1 March. Amendment 18 recognises that many tenants will be unable to pay their full rent because of their personal financial circumstances. The amendment provides for writing off any rent liabilities for any tenant who is unable to pay rent during the emergency period. The exact definition of such inability is for ministers to specify in regulations, but I envisage that being framed very narrowly, and it should apply only to tenants who are in greatest distress. I reject the notion that responsible tenants will take that as a signal not to pay their rent. I would hope that they would find that any regulations that were approved under my proposed new provision would not cover them, so they would continue to be due to pay that rent. Amendment 18 is a significant amendment because it writes off rent, rather than simply ensuring—Temporary loss of sound. That is what amendments 19 and 20 do. Amendment 19 is a very significant amendment, and I hope that committee members will approach it sympathetically. It is designed to ensure that, after the emergency period is over, no landlord can seek to evict a tenant for rent arrears that were accrued during the emergency period. It is important to point out that we are not writing off any rents with this amendment. Any rent that has fallen into arrears will continue to be owed to the landlord; the landlord will be able to recover those arrears through the normal process of debt recovery. I am just seeking to ensure that no one loses their home because of rent arrears; in other words, I am seeking to ensure that arrears cannot be used as grounds for initiating eviction proceedings. Amendment 20 has the same basic effect as amendment 19, although it is much narrower in scope. The landlord loan fund was established by ministers to assist landlords in financial distress, but there has been no equivalent for tenants. Amendment 16, as I have just outlined, would provide for such a fund. Amendment 20 seeks some conditionality around the landlord loan fund. In return for a loan—as a condition of receiving a loan—a landlord would lose the power to evict a tenant for rent arrears arising during the emergency period. As with amendment 19, the rents concerned would continue to be due, but would be disregarded for the purpose of seeking an eviction.
In the same item of business
The Convener (Murdo Fraser)
Con
Good morning, and welcome to the fifth meeting of the COVID-19 Committee. The only item on our agenda today is stage 2 consideration of the Coronavirus (Scot...
Annabelle Ewing (Cowdenbeath) (SNP)
SNP
I refer members to my entry in the register of members’ interests. Therein, members will note that I am a member of the Law Society of Scotland and hold a cu...
Neil Findlay (Lothian) (Lab)
Lab
I am a member of Unite the union.
The Convener
Con
We come to the stage 2 proceedings. Members will have in front of them the marshalled list, which shows the order in which amendments will be considered. Se...
The Convener
Con
The first group of amendments is on housing and tenancies. Amendment 15, in the name of Graham Simpson, is grouped with amendments 16, 22, 17 to 20, 42, 46 a...
Graham Simpson (Central Scotland) (Con)
Con
Good morning, everyone. Good luck today—I know that you have a lot to get through. I have the convener’s words that we should keep things brief ringing in my...
The Convener
Con
I remind members that if they want to contribute to the discussion on the amendments, they must type “R” in the message box, please.
Andy Wightman (Lothian) (Green)
Green
As members are aware, the first coronavirus bill—the Coronavirus (Scotland) Bill—provided welcome protection for tenants by ensuring that notice periods for ...
The Convener
Con
Pauline McNeill will speak to amendment 22 and other amendments in the group.
Pauline McNeill (Glasgow) (Lab)
Lab
As Andy Wightman said, many tenants will face severe economic hardship due to Covid-19. Government should seriously consider the importance of trying to avoi...
The Convener
Con
As no other members wish to speak at this point, we will hear from the minister.
The Minister for Local Government, Housing and Planning (Kevin Stewart)
SNP
There are several amendments in the group, and I will address each in turn. I will start with amendment 15, in the name of Graham Simpson. I thank Mr Simpso...
The Convener
Con
Thank you, minister. As you have said, that was a comprehensive assessment of the group.
Graham Simpson
Con
I thank members who have taken part in the discussion on the group, and I thank the minister for what was, as has been said, a comprehensive look at all the ...
The Convener
Con
Amendment 16 is in the name of Andy Wightman. Because the technology that we are using does not allow interventions, it is reasonable to allow members who ha...
Andy Wightman
Green
Thank you, convener. I will move amendment 16. The minister said that no landlord should evict a tenant because of coronavirus, but the reality is that tena...
The Convener
Con
The question is, that amendment 16 be agreed to. Are we agreed? Members: No.
The Convener
Con
There will be a division. For Greer, Ross (West Scotland) (Green) Lennon, Monica (Central Scotland) (Lab) Wishart, Beatrice (Shetland Islands) (LD) Agai...
The Convener
Con
The result of the division is: For 3, Against 6, Abstentions 0. Amendment 16 disagreed to.
The Convener
Con
Amendment 22, in the name of Pauline McNeill, has already been debated with amendment 15. I invite Pauline McNeill to respond briefly to the debate, if she w...
Pauline McNeill
Lab
I will move amendment 22. I agree with Andy Wightman that tenants will potentially be evicted from their homes if we do not take a more radical approach to ...
The Convener
Con
The question is, that amendment 22 be agreed to. Are we agreed? Members: No.
The Convener
Con
There will be a division. For Greer, Ross (West Scotland) (Green) Lennon, Monica (Central Scotland) (Lab) Wishart, Beatrice (Shetland Islands) (LD) Agai...
The Convener
Con
The result of the division is: For 3, Against 6, Abstentions 0. Amendment 22 disagreed to. Amendment 17 moved—Andy Wightman.
The Convener
Con
The question is, that amendment 17 be agreed to. Are we agreed? Members: No.
The Convener
Con
There will be a division. For Greer, Ross (West Scotland) (Green) Lennon, Monica (Central Scotland) (Lab) Against Coffey, Willie (Kilmarnock and Irvine ...
The Convener
Con
The result of the division is: For 2, Against 7, Abstentions 0. Amendment 17 disagreed to. Amendment 18 moved—Andy Wightman.
The Convener
Con
The question is, that amendment 18 be agreed to. Are we agreed? Members: No.
The Convener
Con
There will be a division. For Greer, Ross (West Scotland) (Green) Lennon, Monica (Central Scotland) (Lab) Against Coffey, Willie (Kilmarnock and Irvine ...
The Convener
Con
The result of the division is: For 2, Against 7, Abstentions 0. Amendment 18 disagreed to. Amendment 19 moved—Andy Wightman.