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Meeting of the Parliament 25 February 2020 [Draft]

25 Feb 2020 · S5 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Period Products (Free Provision) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

I am immensely proud that Scotland is a world leader on providing access to period products. Thanks to this Government’s actions, without waiting for legislation, we have invested about £15 million to make free period products available in our schools, colleges and universities; in community settings, such as libraries, community hubs and grass roots sports clubs; and in services that are most likely to be accessed by people on low incomes. We are reaching more than 530,000 women and girls through this groundbreaking work right across the country, so that roughly a third of those in Scotland who menstruate now have access to those products for free, thanks to our actions.

Free products are also increasingly being made available by public bodies—including this Parliament, which was one of the first to take action—and also by the private sector, with football clubs, pubs and construction companies making products available for staff and visitors. That is set to increase, and the momentum should be welcomed as an outcome that we can all be very proud of. We are going to acknowledge that outcome through the introduction of period-friendly certification.

We are also working in partnership with FareShare to ensure even wider availability, specifically for those on low incomes. Our £1 million investment in the past two years has allowed FareShare to buy products to distribute through over 800 partners and it is also supporting community development workers in FareShare’s four hubs to work with grass-roots organisations to break down barriers and address stigma and embarrassment.

Access to free period products through FareShare and its partners is through a variety of routes, including food banks, support groups, advice centres, family centres, hospices and care homes. I heard how valuable the service was when I visited one of FareShare’s hubs last year. One beneficiary said that

“getting free products has been a godsend and a weight off financially when we are already struggling on benefits”.

That comment highlights that many of the people we are supporting are in need because of austerity and the benefit cuts introduced by the Westminster Tory Government and that, once again, the Scottish Government is having to step in to support those families as poverty makes it difficult for them to meet their basic needs. This is one of many measures that we are taking to mitigate those cuts, including the investment of £110 million in the next financial year to protect people from those cuts.

We have also supported local authorities with the provision of products and they have been able to decide where to place products based on local knowledge and local need. One local authority identified locations in which to provide access to free products, including libraries, community centres, leisure centres and churches. Each partner received a box containing products, a poster with financial support information, and a digital code for restocking. In another authority, products have been placed in a range of places where there is high footfall and in locations that are likely to be accessed by those who may need the products most, including the jobcentre and places that host community fridges.

One of the concerns that I raised with the committee is about the need to ensure that the flexibility that we have given to local authorities is maintained so that the delivery of local provision is right for each community. That is one of three major concerns with the current legislation that I have continued to highlight. The other concerns are around the cost and the actual design of a scheme to deliver on the proposed right to free products.

Many who support the principle of legislation are strongly opposed to the preliminary procedure for delivery that is proposed in the bill. Despite that, no alternative suggestion for a different delivery route for the national scheme that is mandated in the bill has been proposed. Extensive work carried out by Scottish Government officials over the past two years suggests that that is because it is almost impossible to devise one that is not overly bureaucratic or costly.

My third main area of concern is that the proposed costs have been significantly underestimated. As I outlined to the committee, the Scottish Government’s best estimate of the cost of delivering a universal scheme, as proposed in the bill, is an annual cost of £24 million—over two and a half times the cost estimated in the bill’s financial memorandum. As members know, if the Parliament agrees to the bill at stage 1 today, the Scottish ministers will be expected to introduce a financial resolution to allow the bill to move to stage 2. However, as Monica Lennon said when giving evidence to the committee, it is impossible to say definitely what uptake would be. We would have to introduce a financial resolution before we knew what the delivery of universal free access would look like and, by extension, how much it would really cost. I therefore welcome the committee’s conclusion that more work to clarify the potential cost is needed and I will seek agreement across political parties on the detail to allow us to better estimate costs before lodging a motion for a financial resolution.

In the same item of business

The Presiding Officer (Ken Macintosh) NPA
Our next item of business is a stage 1 debate on motion S5M-20756, in the name of Monica Lennon, on the Period Products (Free Provision) (Scotland) Bill. I c...
Monica Lennon (Central Scotland) (Lab) Lab
This debate is possible only because we are standing tall on the shoulders of previous generations of feminists, trade unionists and equality campaigners. Be...
James Dornan (Glasgow Cathcart) (SNP) SNP
I am pleased to speak on behalf of the Local Government and Communities Committee. Today’s debate reflects the findings of the committee’s scrutiny, which we...
Neil Findlay (Lothian) (Lab) Lab
Will the member give way?
James Dornan SNP
I am just about to close. I will take an intervention if I have the time.
The Deputy Presiding Officer (Linda Fabiani) SNP
I can give you the time.
Neil Findlay Lab
How did James Dornan feel when Murdo Fraser’s member’s bill was included in its entirety, without having been through any consultation, in the legislation th...
James Dornan SNP
I am speaking as convener of the Local Government and Communities Committee. Given that we are talking about the Period Products (Free Provision) (Scotland) ...
The Cabinet Secretary for Communities and Local Government (Aileen Campbell) SNP
I am immensely proud that Scotland is a world leader on providing access to period products. Thanks to this Government’s actions, without waiting for legisla...
Monica Lennon Lab
I thank the cabinet secretary for the tone of her speech so far. It is important that we continue to work together. North Ayrshire Council launched free prov...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
There is extra time available if you need it, cabinet secretary.
Aileen Campbell SNP
Thank you very much, Presiding Officer. I know about the fantastic work that is being done in North Ayrshire. I visited Ardrossan academy to see some of th...
Graham Simpson (Central Scotland) (Con) Con
I associate myself with the words of Aileen Campbell. I agree with every word—well, most of what she said; not quite everything. I congratulate Monica Lenn...
Alex Rowley (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Lab) Lab
I know that, across the country, people have been writing to members of the Scottish Parliament—they have certainly contacted me—to say that they want what h...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
Those in the public gallery should not show appreciation or otherwise in any of the proceedings of the Parliament, please.
Graham Simpson Con
Nobody in the Parliament disagrees with what Monica Lennon is trying to achieve. The question is whether the bill is the right approach. The committee asked ...
Monica Lennon Lab
Will the member give way?
Graham Simpson Con
No. I am coming to an important bit of my speech. When the three of us committee members visited Perth, I had my eyes opened. I asked what people were payin...
Graham Simpson Con
I will take an intervention if I can get the time back.
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
I can give you the time back.
Monica Lennon Lab
I thank Graham Simpson for his contributions and for his work on the committee. I wonder whether he agrees that we have to be careful that, in asking questio...
Graham Simpson Con
One thing that should come out of this debate is that people should not be embarrassed about talking about those issues. If women have a particular medical c...
Graham Simpson Con
No. I am almost finished. As we head to stage 2, I say to Monica Lennon that the committee has a huge job to do. We must work with her. If we are going to ...
Pauline McNeill (Glasgow) (Lab) Lab
Scotland is on course to introduce the world’s most comprehensive legislation on free period products. That is thanks to Monica Lennon and her supporters, me...
James Dornan SNP
Will the member take an intervention?
Pauline McNeill Lab
Not yet. The Tories are giving very mixed signals as to whether they support the general principles of the bill, and I was astonished at some of the argumen...
Sandra White (Glasgow Kelvin) (SNP) SNP
I am not on the committee, but I have read the bill and I absolutely agree with what the member says about period poverty. However, does the member agree tha...
Pauline McNeill Lab
That was quite a long intervention. I agree with the member that there are issues with the registration schemes. However, this is a stage 1 debate in which ...
Andy Wightman (Lothian) (Green) Green
I commend Monica Lennon for bringing forward the bill. She has been campaigning on this topic since her arrival in Parliament and has worked hard to get it t...
James Dornan SNP
Will the member give way?