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Meeting of the Parliament 24 March 2020

24 Mar 2020 · S5 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Coronavirus Bill

Thank you, Presiding Officer. I also thank members for the very constructive nature of the debate. I will try to get through a number of the points that have been raised, if members will bear with me.

I thank Bruce Crawford and the Finance and Constitution Committee for taking evidence this morning. I am sure that all of us, as members, were faced this weekend with a tidal wave of concern from the constituents whom we represent. There will have been different concerns for each of us according to our constituency. For me, it was access by ferry to the 23 islands that I represent. I know that others have been dealing with issues to do with mobile homes, staff accommodation and protective gear. Our job is to provide information, so we will continue to do that in the weeks and months ahead.

However, our real job is to give leadership; it is to ensure that we are leaders in this situation and that people are not merely comforted or reassured, but are given what they need by those whom they have elected.

I was struck by the speeches by Ruth Davidson, Adam Tomkins and Willie Rennie. I rarely speak of being struck by their contributions, except in a negative sense, but on this occasion I will be very positive about them. They talked about trust, which Ruth Davidson spoke about extensively. They talked about the appropriate responses that we will make. Adam Tomkins talked about the necessity of the job that we are undertaking and how we must undertake it.

I think that Willie Rennie had the last word on that—I know that he loves to have the last word, so he will be very pleased—when he said that he looks forward to the time when we do not need the legislation. It is important that, as leaders and as a Government, we say very clearly that we wish to let go of the legislation at the very first appropriate moment, but not a moment too soon. Therefore, “necessity” has to be the watchword. We must have the legislation for the period for which we need it. We will all have to live up to the trust that the people of Scotland and our individual constituents will put in us, and are putting in us now by watching and listening to what we are saying.

I will respond to some detailed points that have been raised. There were a huge number, so I will not get through them all. If members have more points to make, they should get in touch with me by email. All Government ministers are willing to respond; Jeane Freeman, for example, has said that she will be happy to respond to Alex Rowley on the detailed points that he raised.

On Bruce Crawford’s point about switching on and off of the powers, schedule 22, for example, clearly says that the switching on of the power occurs with the declaration that

“the incidence or transmission of coronavirus constitutes a serious and imminent threat to public health”.

That is the trigger. The trigger for switching it off will be when the threat no longer exists, advice on which must come from the chief medical officer. Throughout the bill the triggers and switches are mentioned. We need to be aware of them.

With regard to parliamentary scrutiny, we need to ensure that it is built in to the new bill and will be done retrospectively on the legislation. I am not in favour of a three-month reporting period.

In the same item of business

The Deputy Presiding Officer (Linda Fabiani) SNP
The next item of business is a debate on legislative consent motion S5M-21322, in the name of Michael Russell, on the United Kingdom Coronavirus Bill. 15:49
The Cabinet Secretary for the Constitution, Europe and External Affairs (Michael Russell) SNP
Less than a week ago, I updated members in the chamber on the introduction by the United Kingdom Government of the Coronavirus Bill and set out the measures ...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
I call Bruce Crawford to speak on behalf of the Finance and Constitution Committee for up to five minutes, please. 15:56
Bruce Crawford (Stirling) (SNP) SNP
We find ourselves in exceptional circumstances. We are considering a bill and a legislative consent memorandum that seek extraordinary powers in an effort to...
Bill Bowman (North East Scotland) (Con) Con
I speak as the convener of the Delegated Powers and Law Reform Committee. We discussed the bill at our meeting this morning, although, given the urgency of t...
Murdo Fraser (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Con) Con
I will make a brief contribution on behalf of the Scottish Conservatives and say at the outset that we will support the legislative consent motion at decisio...
Alex Rowley (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Lab) Lab
Labour, too, will support the Government today. I put on record my thanks to the cabinet secretary for the cross-party dialogue that has taken place today re...
Patrick Harvie (Glasgow) (Green) Green
The Greens will also support the legislative consent motion. I say that as someone who has a long-standing grievance—I know that that word is sometimes used ...
Willie Rennie (North East Fife) (LD) LD
Bruce Crawford summed up the situation well when he said that “we are in a war against an unseen and deadly enemy”, and that we need to work in partnership...
Joan McAlpine (South Scotland) (SNP) SNP
To anyone who has any doubts that the bill is necessary, I would just say one word: Italy. Italy has an excellent health service—not unlike our NHS—and, at t...
Ruth Davidson (Edinburgh Central) (Con) Con
For me, this debate on the bill and the legislative consent motion is about one thing only: trust. It is about trusting the UK and Scottish Governments to ma...
Pauline McNeill (Glasgow) (Lab) Lab
I begin with my heartfelt thanks to the committee, the First Minister, all Scottish Government ministers and Aileen Campbell, in particular, who made the rig...
Anas Sarwar (Glasgow) (Lab) Lab
Time is short, so I will be brief. I want to raise some concerns with the minister. Labour members support the legislation. However, it should be subject to...
Monica Lennon (Central Scotland) (Lab) Lab
The cabinet secretary opened the debate by saying that the restrictions that came into effect at midnight last night will feel difficult and strange to many ...
Adam Tomkins (Glasgow) (Con) Con
I will reflect in my remarks on the nature of emergency power and human rights. Ruth Davidson spoke about John Stuart Mill; I will go even further back and ...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
Before I call the cabinet secretary, I say that I should have said earlier that members should note that decision time has been delayed; you might have notic...
Michael Russell SNP
Thank you, Presiding Officer. I also thank members for the very constructive nature of the debate. I will try to get through a number of the points that have...
Neil Findlay (Lothian) (Lab) Lab
Will the cabinet secretary give way?
Michael Russell SNP
No. I am sorry, but I do not have time. I have to get through this. I am in favour of a two-month reporting period, and I commit myself to that and will put...