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Meeting of the Parliament 11 March 2020

11 Mar 2020 · S5 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Funded Childcare (Expansion)

I thank Jamie Greene for giving Parliament the opportunity to debate the Government’s progress in expanding early learning and childcare. The expansion is an important policy that my party wants to be fully realised. High-quality childcare provision is essential in giving all young people the best start in life; it is one of the best investments that we can make. However, as members have discussed in Parliament before, there are many issues that raise questions not about the direction of travel but about how we are getting there.

The guiding principles of the ELC expansion are quality, affordability, flexibility and accessibility. As members have said, Audit Scotland reports that it is likely that flexibility and choice for parents will not be fully implemented by August 2020. Just this week, I was contacted by a parent who said that, come August, their child will not be using her full 1,140 hours entitlement at a local authority nursery, and that they would like to use the remainder of the hours during school holidays at a private nursery that will be a partner provider. However, the local authority has told them that they cannot use the remaining hours at that nursery, so they will have to pay for care themselves or remove the child from a nursery in which she is settled, and enrol her full time at the private nursery. That does not represent flexibility or affordability.

There is an urgent need for the Government to clarify guidance to local authorities to ensure that they are informing parents correctly. That is another example of the “Take it or leave it” approach that I am worried will be the experience of too many parents from August.

I noted the minister’s careful choice of words during topical questions last week. She said:

“I expect flexibility and choice to continue to expand”.—[Official Report, 3 March 2020; c 5.]

Parents will not be satisfied with having to wait until some date in the distant future for childcare hours that work for them. Parents need to know what will be available to them in their local authority so that they can make plans.

August is only five months away. The Government has data from every local authority on the progress that it is making towards being ready for August 2020. It is frustrating that that important information is not in the public domain. In its most recent progress report in December, the Improvement Service said:

“there is significant variability seen across the country”.

That is not detailed enough: we need to be able to hold ministers to account. Scottish Liberal Democrats have lodged a series of parliamentary questions to try to get the information. I asked the minister last week whether she will allow us to see the data. We have been told that the Government has no plans to place a copy of the information in the Scottish Parliament information centre, and that withholding the data is in the public interest. I reject the idea that hiding the data is in the public interest. Will the Minister commit today to publishing the data?

I have another question to ask the minister. Right now, parents who choose to defer their child’s entry to school will be paying for childcare because their local authority did not approve funding for another year of ELC. Others will be choosing to send their children to school against their better judgment because they cannot afford to pay for childcare. I have written to the minister to ask that parents who have had to pay for childcare be reimbursed. Has the minister considered that proposal? Why cannot a Scottish statutory instrument be laid in Parliament this year that would guarantee that parents who exercise their right to defer will automatically receive funding?

We cannot end up in a rush to the finish line. As Mary Fee pointed out, we now know that 250 infrastructure projects that are critical to meeting demand are due to be completed between June and August, but that 83 of those projects have no contingency plan. Between April and September, councils will need to recruit 27 per cent of the additional staff who will be needed. Quality must continue to be at the forefront if we are to improve outcomes for our youngest children.

I support the motion and call on the Government to urgently address the issues that are being highlighted this afternoon.

In the same item of business

The Deputy Presiding Officer (Linda Fabiani) SNP
The next item of business is a Conservative Party debate on motion S5M-21177, in the name of Jamie Greene, on the expansion of funded childcare. 14:42
Jamie Greene (West Scotland) (Con) Con
From August this year, universal funded early learning and childcare for three, four and vulnerable two-year-olds will increase from 600 to 1,140 hours per c...
The Minister for Children and Young People (Maree Todd) SNP
In September last year, 50,000 children across Scotland were already benefiting from additional high-quality early learning and childcare—high-quality learni...
Daniel Johnson (Edinburgh Southern) (Lab) Lab
Does the minister consider that “steady progress” is enough, given that only 40 per cent of the relevant children are receiving the increased hours, which me...
Maree Todd SNP
As I will go on to explain during the debate, I am absolutely confident that we will deliver in August 2020, and I will give my reasoning for that. The repo...
Jamie Halcro Johnston (Highlands and Islands) (Con) Con
The minister will be aware that the Peedie Breeks nursery in Orkney is scheduled to close in July. What consultation has she had with the local council about...
Maree Todd SNP
From my communication with the local authority, I understand that it is confident that places are available in the system already, despite the fact that that...
Jamie Greene Con
Saying that councils have robust contingency plans is one thing, but what are they? Where are the places? Where are the children actually going to go?
Maree Todd SNP
As Jamie Greene will be aware, members are perfectly at liberty to explore the robust contingency plans with the local authorities in their areas. I have bee...
Jamie Greene Con
What are they?
Maree Todd SNP
Why does the member not ask his local authority? Why does he not work with his local authority, just as I am doing? I turn to the workforce. It bears repeat...
Liam Kerr (North East Scotland) (Con) Con
In March 2018, I asked the minister whether she would guarantee that local authorities would not be short of staff. She said: “I will absolutely give a guar...
Maree Todd SNP
Yes—I guarantee that we will not find ourselves short of staff by August 2020. I know that there are concerns about movement of staff from private and third...
Mary Fee (West Scotland) (Lab) Lab
What does the minister have to say to the childminding sector, which is already expressing grave concerns about the delay in issuing guidance and where the s...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
I can give you more time to cover the interventions, minister.
Maree Todd SNP
Thank you. We will come on to the issue of childminders, but I note that childminders are expected to more than double the proportion of ELC that they provi...
Mary Fee (West Scotland) (Lab) Lab
I welcome the opportunity to open the debate for Scottish Labour. We have long supported the ambitions behind the early learning and childcare expansion to 1...
Jamie Greene Con
The Conservatives will support the Labour amendment, which makes a very valid point. The reality is that funded providers in the private sector are strugglin...
Mary Fee Lab
I am grateful to Jamie Greene for his intervention. It is obvious that funders and providers need to be able to pay their staff the living wage and that they...
Alison Johnstone (Lothian) (Green) Green
I am grateful to the Scottish Conservatives for using their business time to enable us to debate progress in the expansion of funded childcare. If we delive...
Beatrice Wishart (Shetland Islands) (LD) LD
I thank Jamie Greene for giving Parliament the opportunity to debate the Government’s progress in expanding early learning and childcare. The expansion is an...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
We move to the open debate. Can I have speeches of up to six minutes, please? I can allow a little time for interventions. 15:23
Clare Adamson (Motherwell and Wishaw) (SNP) SNP
I welcome the opportunity to debate the policy, because it is one of the most important in our most recent manifesto. The expansion to 1,140 hours of childca...
Brian Whittle (South Scotland) (Con) Con
Will the minister take an intervention?
Clare Adamson SNP
I am a member. Laughter.
Brian Whittle Con
I am sorry; it is not up to me to promote Clare Adamson. In a previous debate, you raised concerns about the sector in your constituency. Are you now comfor...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
Can members always speak through the chair, please?
Brian Whittle Con
I apologise.
Clare Adamson SNP
I believe that every member in the chamber is absolutely focused on delivering the best for our young people. Doing so involves scrutiny and taking on board ...
Mary Fee Lab
Will the member give way?