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Chamber

Meeting of the Parliament 11 March 2020

11 Mar 2020 · S5 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Funded Childcare (Expansion)

I am grateful to the Scottish Conservatives for using their business time to enable us to debate progress in the expansion of funded childcare.

If we deliver the policy properly and fully—that means the hours and the flexibility—the lives of more children and families can be transformed. Families are, and more will be, able to spend more on food, housing and leisure. People might be able to afford to work fewer hours and families could spend more time together.

The United Nations Convention on the Rights of the Child tells us that a child has a right to develop

“to the maximum extent possible.”

One way in which we can help our youngest citizens to develop to that “maximum extent possible” is by ensuring that they and their families have access to high-quality early learning and childcare that are delivered by well-trained staff who are paid at least the living wage, and in buildings that really work for the people who work and learn in them. That is—it has to be—a partnership effort in which local authorities and the independent and voluntary sectors are at the heart of delivering Government policy. However, the Government needs to be absolutely clear that the buildings and workforce exist to deliver the transformative policy.

The minister suggested that if we wish to learn more about the robust contingency plans we should ask local authorities. However, I expect that the minister will have greatest oversight of the plans, and should be able to explain that to Parliament.

As we have heard, and according to Audit Scotland, infrastructure poses the largest risk to the offering of 1,140 hours. Its 2018 report found that

“getting enough buildings and facilities ... in place to deliver the increase in hours was a risk”.

It has now said that that

“remains the case”

and is

“very likely to occur and will have a very high impact”.

The data that councils have provided shows that only around 30 per cent of infrastructure projects were complete by October last year. It is certainly the case that much of what is in the Scottish Government’s plans rests on the ability to achieve a great deal in a very short space of time. Audit Scotland said in its report that

“Almost half of the places to be created through infrastructure development are due to be ready between July and August 2020”.

That very challenging timescale creates its own pressures. It not only increases the likelihood that a delay will directly affect the services that are available in August 2020, but means that a large volume of new places might be being registered at once, which could create capacity issues for the Care Inspectorate.

Buildings are where the important work of childcare takes place, but as we have heard, it is the workforce who make our nurseries by looking after our youngest children and helping them to develop. Important workforce challenges remain in all sectors: in September 2019, councils still needed to recruit about half the additional staff who will be required for the expansion.

Moreover, as Mary Fee was quite right to say, Brexit is likely to impact on delivery of the policy. It is estimated that non-UK European Union nationals account for about 7 per cent of the daycare workforce. Given the significant number of additional staff who must be recruited in order to achieve delivery of 1,140 hours per child, any reduction in the workforce could significantly delay plans. I note that the Tory motion does not mention that.

The excellent briefing that Close the Gap has provided for today’s debate stresses the need to end the extreme gender segregation in the ELC workforce in order for the policy to be delivered. Close the Gap said:

“If more men are to work in the care sector there needs to be an economic imperative to do so, with appropriately remunerated jobs with clear progression pathways as evidence that it is a good career choice. Women continue to comprise 97% of the ELC workforce”.

I argue that those women continue to be undervalued and underpaid.

Scotland is striving to be a better place for children and young people to grow up in, so initiatives such as the baby box and the best start grant are warmly welcomed. However, the debate is taking place in the context of increasing child poverty, Therefore, each and every measure that we take to improve the lives of Scotland’s youngest people is important.

I wish that we had more time to consider the production and sharing of food in nursery schools. Why are we building nursery schools that do not have kitchens? I also wish that we had time to consider the impact of expansion on closing the attainment gap.

I will support the Conservative motion this afternoon; it is factual. I understand why the minister focused on the positive findings in the report—there are many—and I agree with her that delivery will be challenging. However, I am still unconvinced that she fully appreciates the scale of the challenge that we face.

I do not have much time left. I must thank the people who work in childcare. I volunteered—some time ago—in my daughter’s nursery school. At the time, there was no flexibility; my daughter attended for two and a half hours per day. I used to go in on a Thursday morning, when I would help to prepare snacks and would read stories. At the end of those two and a half hours, I was always absolutely exhausted, so I appreciate how hard, albeit rewarding, the work is. Everyone who works in the sector deserves fair pay and the best training and on-going support.

I have been contacted by constituents who are concerned about the on-going lack of flexibility. One mum told me that she wants to work two full days but has been offered five mornings of childcare: the offer does not match her requirements. Nurseries in my region and outwith it have brought up the issue of the sustainable rate: if we want to deliver the policy, it has to be sustainably funded.

I appreciate that I must draw my remarks to a close, Presiding Officer.

15:18  

In the same item of business

The Deputy Presiding Officer (Linda Fabiani) SNP
The next item of business is a Conservative Party debate on motion S5M-21177, in the name of Jamie Greene, on the expansion of funded childcare. 14:42
Jamie Greene (West Scotland) (Con) Con
From August this year, universal funded early learning and childcare for three, four and vulnerable two-year-olds will increase from 600 to 1,140 hours per c...
The Minister for Children and Young People (Maree Todd) SNP
In September last year, 50,000 children across Scotland were already benefiting from additional high-quality early learning and childcare—high-quality learni...
Daniel Johnson (Edinburgh Southern) (Lab) Lab
Does the minister consider that “steady progress” is enough, given that only 40 per cent of the relevant children are receiving the increased hours, which me...
Maree Todd SNP
As I will go on to explain during the debate, I am absolutely confident that we will deliver in August 2020, and I will give my reasoning for that. The repo...
Jamie Halcro Johnston (Highlands and Islands) (Con) Con
The minister will be aware that the Peedie Breeks nursery in Orkney is scheduled to close in July. What consultation has she had with the local council about...
Maree Todd SNP
From my communication with the local authority, I understand that it is confident that places are available in the system already, despite the fact that that...
Jamie Greene Con
Saying that councils have robust contingency plans is one thing, but what are they? Where are the places? Where are the children actually going to go?
Maree Todd SNP
As Jamie Greene will be aware, members are perfectly at liberty to explore the robust contingency plans with the local authorities in their areas. I have bee...
Jamie Greene Con
What are they?
Maree Todd SNP
Why does the member not ask his local authority? Why does he not work with his local authority, just as I am doing? I turn to the workforce. It bears repeat...
Liam Kerr (North East Scotland) (Con) Con
In March 2018, I asked the minister whether she would guarantee that local authorities would not be short of staff. She said: “I will absolutely give a guar...
Maree Todd SNP
Yes—I guarantee that we will not find ourselves short of staff by August 2020. I know that there are concerns about movement of staff from private and third...
Mary Fee (West Scotland) (Lab) Lab
What does the minister have to say to the childminding sector, which is already expressing grave concerns about the delay in issuing guidance and where the s...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
I can give you more time to cover the interventions, minister.
Maree Todd SNP
Thank you. We will come on to the issue of childminders, but I note that childminders are expected to more than double the proportion of ELC that they provi...
Mary Fee (West Scotland) (Lab) Lab
I welcome the opportunity to open the debate for Scottish Labour. We have long supported the ambitions behind the early learning and childcare expansion to 1...
Jamie Greene Con
The Conservatives will support the Labour amendment, which makes a very valid point. The reality is that funded providers in the private sector are strugglin...
Mary Fee Lab
I am grateful to Jamie Greene for his intervention. It is obvious that funders and providers need to be able to pay their staff the living wage and that they...
Alison Johnstone (Lothian) (Green) Green
I am grateful to the Scottish Conservatives for using their business time to enable us to debate progress in the expansion of funded childcare. If we delive...
Beatrice Wishart (Shetland Islands) (LD) LD
I thank Jamie Greene for giving Parliament the opportunity to debate the Government’s progress in expanding early learning and childcare. The expansion is an...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
We move to the open debate. Can I have speeches of up to six minutes, please? I can allow a little time for interventions. 15:23
Clare Adamson (Motherwell and Wishaw) (SNP) SNP
I welcome the opportunity to debate the policy, because it is one of the most important in our most recent manifesto. The expansion to 1,140 hours of childca...
Brian Whittle (South Scotland) (Con) Con
Will the minister take an intervention?
Clare Adamson SNP
I am a member. Laughter.
Brian Whittle Con
I am sorry; it is not up to me to promote Clare Adamson. In a previous debate, you raised concerns about the sector in your constituency. Are you now comfor...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
Can members always speak through the chair, please?
Brian Whittle Con
I apologise.
Clare Adamson SNP
I believe that every member in the chamber is absolutely focused on delivering the best for our young people. Doing so involves scrutiny and taking on board ...
Mary Fee Lab
Will the member give way?