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Meeting of the Parliament 06 February 2020

06 Feb 2020 · S5 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Scottish Elections (Reform) Bill: Stage 1
Ruskell, Mark Green Mid Scotland and Fife Watch on SPTV

Thank you, Presiding Officer. I join other members in thanking the clerks, all those who gave evidence, and the other members of the committee for their consideration of the bill.

The bill represents a baby step towards democratic reform, so I welcome its general principles. To be honest, however, it is hardly groundbreaking stuff. Even when taken together with the Scottish Elections (Franchise and Representation) Bill, we have miles to go if we are to reinvigorate democracy, improve registration and turnout, and make Holyrood and council chambers truly representative of the people they serve.

Last year, I went with the Presiding Officer to visit the Swedish Parliament, where there was genuine concern that turnout in elections had fallen a few percentage points from the high 90s. We can only dream of those levels of voter participation in elections in Scotland.

We still live in one of the most democratically underrepresented countries in Europe in terms of the levels of government that operate and the numbers of elected representatives who serve. In Sweden, one out of every 145 citizens has stood for election, whereas in Scotland, it is one in every 2,000. In Sweden, political work is normalised in communities and it really shows in Sweden’s political culture. Does the bill address that democratic deficit? I do not think that it does. It takes a small step towards doing so, but does not really address it.

I welcome the five-member council wards as an option for the Local Government Boundary Commission for Scotland to consider. That would deliver more proportionality, but to represent what the public actually votes for in an election, we would need wards of around six to seven members. In answer to Mr Findlay’s point, we took some evidence on that, and there were some more expansive suggestions that we could have city-wide lists or council-wide lists. Even sticking with the system that we have at the moment and expanding it to true proportionality would require six to seven members per ward.

Worryingly—and I share Mr Tomkins’s views on this—the option of two-member wards is also on the table in the bill. Beyond the islands, where the flexibility to have one and two-member wards already exists, I can see no circumstances in which two-member wards would be appropriate. The fact that the Government did no work to consider the bill’s impact on proportionality is disappointing. I do hope that, 13 years after its introduction, a wider review of the multimember ward system will now take place. It would be good if the minister could reflect on when that could happen. Committee members all had different perceptions of how well the multimember system has worked, so now is a good time to review it.

I felt that the committee disappeared down a few rabbit holes when hearing evidence. One was the list-order effect. I do not deny that it might be real, especially for candidates of the same party whose surnames start with the same letter. It is, however, clear that a wide range of other factors, especially incumbency, are more important, particularly in local government elections.

Another red herring was around registration. The bill makes it illegal to vote more than once and I suspect that most people would think that that was already the law; they might be surprised to learn that it is not. Registration on multiple registers is not a problem. Groups such as students move around, and it is far more important that they are enfranchised to vote wherever they are resident at the time of the election rather than having no vote whatsoever. Underregistration is a much bigger issue that should concern us.

The shift in the length of the parliamentary term from four to five years is to be welcomed. There is no point in trying to second-guess the chaos of Westminster timetabling anymore, and five years allows Parliaments to get more into their stride.

We received very little evidence on electronic voting, to be honest, which I am a bit disappointed about, but I am aware of major concerns from organisations, including the Open Rights Group, about whether e-voting can ever be genuinely secure, anonymous and verifiable. The Government appears to be quite agnostic on electronic voting, but I ask the minister to focus work with disability groups on other methods of increasing participation, including postal voting. I also ask that the Government work with the Open Rights Group and others in fully assessing the implications of any pilot well before they are even considered.

The provisions in the bill to allow attainers of age 14 to be entered onto the electoral register could be a real springboard in helping young people play a full role in democratic life. I urge the Government to help equip our young people with the knowledge that they need about our democracy while they wait for their full rights to vote to come to fruition. It is an unusually exciting provision in a bill that has perhaps been more about tidying up than igniting a renewed democratic vision.

16:45  

In the same item of business

The Deputy Presiding Officer (Christine Grahame) SNP
The next item of business is a debate on motion S5M-20740, in the name of Graeme Dey, on the Scottish Elections (Reform) Bill at stage 1. 16:12
The Minister for Parliamentary Business and Veterans (Graeme Dey) SNP
I thank the Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee for its scrutiny of the bill and its stage 1 report. I also thank the Local Government an...
Bill Kidd (Glasgow Anniesland) (SNP) SNP
As the convener of the Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee, I am pleased to speak on behalf of the committee in this debate. As has been...
Richard Lyle (Uddingston and Bellshill) (SNP) SNP
I note that the consultation included a proposal to remove the current legal requirement for candidates’ addresses to appear on ballot papers for local gover...
Bill Kidd SNP
I thank the member for raising that subject, which was discussed in committee. A number of people raised concerns with us about security and safety, which ha...
Adam Tomkins (Glasgow) (Con) Con
Broadly, we welcome the bill, and we will be supporting it at stage 1. It contains mainly technical, but nonetheless important, changes to aspects of elector...
Neil Findlay (Lothian) (Lab) Lab
Will the member take an intervention?
Adam Tomkins Con
Let me finish my point and then I will let Mr Findlay in—if I have time, Presiding Officer. Surely, we do not want the new flexibility, which section 4 of t...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
There is time for interventions.
Neil Findlay Lab
I very much agree with what Adam Tomkins is saying, but the committee took evidence from one academic who argued for very large wards in order to ensure prop...
Adam Tomkins Con
It is a very odd day in the Scottish Parliament, because not only does Mr Findlay agree with me, but I agree with Mr Findlay—on this matter. We must, therefo...
Neil Findlay (Lothian) (Lab) Lab
I thank the committee’s members and convener and the clerks who have been helping us through the bill. We have had some very interesting evidence sessions. I...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
I call Mark Ruskell to open for the Green Party. Mr Ruskell, I will be generous with you, also. 16:40
Mark Ruskell (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Green) Green
Thank you, Presiding Officer. I join other members in thanking the clerks, all those who gave evidence, and the other members of the committee for their cons...
Willie Rennie (North East Fife) (LD) LD
I do not know what Neil Findlay is talking about; this is the stuff that Liberal Democrats love to talk about. I was formerly an election agent and I would s...
Neil Findlay Lab
As Willie Rennie is a Liberal Democrat, that is the least surprising thing that I have ever heard.
Willie Rennie LD
Neil Findlay and I might have one of those discussions ourselves—I might inflict that on him. Adam Tomkins is objecting to that for some reason. During the ...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
We now move to the open debate. Speeches should be of up to five minutes. 16:51
Gil Paterson (Clydebank and Milngavie) (SNP) SNP
As Neil Findlay and other members from across the chamber have said, on the face of it the Scottish Elections (Reform) Bill might seem to be dry and technica...
Tom Mason (North East Scotland) (Con) Con
Because elements of the bill relate to local government, I declare an interest as a councillor in Aberdeen City Council. The Standards, Procedures and Publi...
Sarah Boyack (Lothian) (Lab) Lab
Like colleagues in the chamber, I think that the bill represents a welcome opportunity to consider how we can improve our electoral process. As the Electoral...
Tom Mason Con
Will the member take an intervention?
Sarah Boyack Lab
Yes, briefly.
Tom Mason Con
Is it the case that up to very recently—when we left the European Union—every member of the Scottish community had 19 elected representatives?
Sarah Boyack Lab
We do not have the same level of local representation that there is in the rest of the EU. Everybody has focused on proportionality, which I totally agree w...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
You will have to be quick.
Sarah Boyack Lab
I ask the minister to have a look at multimember wards, which have been mentioned by a couple of members, and do a proper review of how they have worked and ...
Annabelle Ewing (Cowdenbeath) (SNP) SNP
I am pleased to speak in the stage 1 debate on the Scottish Elections (Reform) Bill. As we know, the bill is part of a package of measures that are intended ...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
We move to closing speeches. 17:13
Neil Findlay Lab
At the beginning of the debate, Gil Paterson made an important point about the desire to see every election have its own focus. That is right. When elections...