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Meeting of the Parliament 04 March 2020

04 Mar 2020 · S5 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Science, Technology, Engineering and Mathematics in Early Years Education
Johnson, Daniel Lab Edinburgh Southern Watch on SPTV

I thank the clerks and my fellow committee members for the work that has gone into the report. It is a useful and instructive report, which has been reflected in the debate. I thank fellow members for engaging with the outcomes of the work, because I joined the committee at the tail-end of the inquiry. Indeed, my main input was in taking part in the hackathon that the convener, Clare Adamson, referred to. It was great fun and, in a sense, it summed up what we need to do, which is to demonstrate that science, technology, engineering and mathematics are not about dry numbers but that what is important is applying them to achieve creative outcomes.

I will not cover all the following points, but there are four or five broad areas that have been covered by the report and members during the debate. Those areas are the undoubted importance of culture with regard to STEM; issues to do with teacher education and the structure of the profession; the structure of the institutions in support of STEM activities; access to STEM; and, above all else, the importance of measuring outcomes as we seek progress.

It is important to highlight the importance of tackling the cultural issues. A number of members, including the minister, the convener, Ross Greer and Willie Coffey, quite rightly pointed out that we need to demonstrate to people that science is for them. Our biggest task is to prevent people from thinking that science roles are not accessible to them or appropriate for them. Above all else, doing that work with girls is hugely important if we are to tackle gender imbalances.

Liz Smith spoke very well about teacher education and the structure of the profession, and some of those issues, which Beatrice Wishart and Jamie Greene also raised, are reflected in the report. We must treat with caution calls for initial teacher education to be altered. If we were to include everything that people have called for to be included in initial teacher education, we would never have any teachers entering the profession, because by the time they had finished their training, they would have to retire. However, we need to look at the content of continuing professional development and initial teacher education for STEM subjects.

Rona Mackay and others quite rightly pointed out the need to differentiate between the different elements of STEM, and that should take place as the basis of any structural change. The training of early years teachers is also important, particularly given the complex structure of that part of the education system.

We could have covered at greater length issues such as collaboration through school clusters, regional improvement collaboratives and the future role of SSERC. Alasdair Allan made some good points about the progress that has been made in literacy and numeracy, and the need to make similar progress in STEM.

I do not think that it is possible to address this topic without noting the geographical, social and financial issues relating to access. The concept of STEM capital, which a number of members mentioned, is useful when contemplating all those issues.

Above all else, we need to ensure that we measure progress. Given that the report is on science, it was only appropriate for the committee to take a scientific approach to its recommendations. Out of a total of 22 recommendations, nine require improved measurement of progress. I hope that the Government will take forward all nine of those recommendations in the report that it will announce next week.

In the same item of business

The Presiding Officer (Ken Macintosh) NPA
The next item of business is an Education and Skills Committee debate on motion S5M-21089, in the name of Clare Adamson, on science, technology, engineering ...
Clare Adamson (Motherwell and Wishaw) (SNP) SNP
I thank my colleagues from the Education and Skills Committee who took part in the deliberations around our inquiry into STEM in early years education. I als...
The Presiding Officer NPA
Thank you for spotting the worried look on my face, convener. I call Maree Todd to open for the Scottish Government. 16:25
The Minister for Children and Young People (Maree Todd) SNP
I am grateful to the Education and Skills Committee for securing time for this debate, because STEM skills have never been more relevant, and embedding them ...
Tom Mason (North East Scotland) (Con) Con
Will the minister outline what steps the Government is taking in recognition of the STEM work and teaching that is being undertaken by the armed forces among...
Maree Todd SNP
The bases work with colleges—I do not really see the relevance of the question to the early years. We do not have early years army cadets just yet. However, ...
The Presiding Officer NPA
Thank you, minister. I apologise that there is little time for interventions in the debate. I know that members are keeping their remarks short. 16:34
Jamie Greene (West Scotland) (Con) Con
I commend the work of the Education and Skills Committee, which I had the pleasure of joining today for the first time, in producing this report into STEM in...
Iain Gray (East Lothian) (Lab) Lab
The debate, which is welcome, takes place in the context of widespread consensus on the importance of improving STEM education, and the number of young peopl...
Ross Greer (West Scotland) (Green) Green
Science, technology, engineering and mathematics have been at the heart of Scotland’s historical success as a nation. Our world-leading expertise and skills ...
Beatrice Wishart (Shetland Islands) (LD) LD
I echo Clare Adamson’s thanks to the committee clerks and all the contributors to the inquiry. I had intended to start with a quote, but Iain Gray beat me t...
Rona Mackay (Strathkelvin and Bearsden) (SNP) SNP
I am pleased to speak in this important committee debate on STEM in early years education. It is vital that, as a nation, we promote the value of having full...
Liz Smith (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Con) Con
I begin by thanking my former colleagues on the Education and Skills Committee for the work that they undertook on STEM in early years and paying tribute to ...
Dr Alasdair Allan (Na h-Eileanan an Iar) (SNP) SNP
As we have heard, the Education and Skills Committee took extensive evidence and recognised the growing seriousness with which schools across Scotland take S...
Mary Fee (West Scotland) (Lab) Lab
I thank the Education and Skills Committee for its work on STEM education. Its inquiry and subsequent report have shown the scale of the challenge that is ah...
Willie Coffey (Kilmarnock and Irvine Valley) (SNP) SNP
I am not a member of the Education and Skills Committee, but I take a keen interest in STEM whenever the opportunity arises. The committee and those who have...
Jamie Greene Con
I know that the subject is of great interest to the member. Why is the lack of confidence in STEM subjects still such a big issue, given that it has been one...
Willie Coffey SNP
There are social and cultural issues around that. That lack of confidence sets in at a very early age, so we need to do more to intervene at a much earlier a...
Iain Gray Lab
As one would expect, we have heard a fair bit about the challenges that the committee report identified in improving STEM education and learning in early yea...
Jamie Halcro Johnston (Highlands and Islands) (Con) Con
We have heard many times in the chamber and in the debate about the importance of encouraging and promoting STEM education, particularly for our youngest gen...
The Minister for Further Education, Higher Education and Science (Richard Lochhead) SNP
I, too, welcome the debate and congratulate the committee, its members and everyone who gave evidence on an important subject and a challenge that our countr...
The Presiding Officer NPA
I call Daniel Johnson, the deputy convener of the Education and Skills Committee, to conclude the debate. 17:28
Daniel Johnson (Edinburgh Southern) (Lab) Lab
I am mindful that decision time is scheduled for half past 5, so I will attempt to sum up rapidly.
The Presiding Officer NPA
There is some flexibility in that.
Daniel Johnson Lab
I thank the clerks and my fellow committee members for the work that has gone into the report. It is a useful and instructive report, which has been reflecte...