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Meeting of the Parliament 23 January 2020

23 Jan 2020 · S5 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Consumer Scotland Bill: Stage 1
MacDonald, Gordon SNP Edinburgh Pentlands Watch on SPTV

Since the abolition of the Scottish Consumer Council in October 2008 by the then Labour Government, there has been no dedicated Scottish body with responsibility for protecting and promoting the interests of consumers in Scotland. Until its abolition, the Scottish Consumer Council was for nearly 33 years an independent policy organisation that represented consumer interests to policy makers, regulators, service providers and suppliers. It is an important service that we have been missing for 12 years.

It is only since the Scotland Act 2016 transferred new powers to this Parliament relating to consumer advocacy and advice that the Scottish Government was able to act to help protect consumer interests. When the Scottish Government consulted on the bill in 2018, around half of those who responded said that they found the current consumer landscape in Scotland to be fragmented, complex, disjointed and confusing to navigate. Thomas Docherty of Which? said in evidence to the Economy, Energy and Fair Work Committee that

“The Scottish Government has been very clear, and we have all said, that there is a confusing landscape for consumers.”

He went on to say:

“It is not always about inventing something new; it is about ensuring that consumers know where to go, whether that is to the ombudsman service for redress, or to trading standards, or to Advice Direct Scotland.”—[Official Report, Economy, Energy and Fair Work Committee, 1 October 2019; c 54.]

I am pleased that the Scottish Government recognises that and will develop the new body in collaboration with the stakeholders that are already providing support and advice to consumers today.

We also found in committee that there is a clear need for the body to be dedicated to representing the interests of consumers in Scotland. Responses to the Scottish Government consultation on the bill found that

“There is evidence that in specific markets, Scottish consumers behave differently and have different needs from consumers in the rest of the UK, although there is no mechanism that delivers improved, targeted outcomes specifically for Scottish consumers.”

Section 4 of the bill will address that issue by allowing consumer Scotland to: obtain, analyse and review information relating to consumer matters; undertake investigations into business sectors or practices; and publish reports on any investigations that it conducts under section 4. Areas that could be investigated range from the importance of rural petrol stations, to why Scottish consumers receive more nuisance calls than those in other parts of the United Kingdom, to the on-going issue of parcel surcharges.

Our stage 1 report also recommended that consumer Scotland should have a duty in relation to product recall where it could

“coordinate and disseminate information around major recalls of faulty products.”

Electrical Safety First noted that the average success rate of an electrical product recall in the UK is just 10 per cent to 20 per cent. It felt that consumer Scotland should have a mandatory function to co-ordinate and disseminate information and advice to consumers on significant consumer safety issues. It said:

“this is key to ensuring a consistent and effective message is delivered from a single trusted source in a timely manner.”

I understand the minister’s view, in the evidence that he gave to the committee, that consumer Scotland would be unable to issue edicts about the recall of products. That said, I am pleased that he went on to acknowledge that the body would be able to conduct investigations and make recommendations on how the Scottish Government and others should respond.

I appreciate that the Scottish Government’s subsequent response to our stage 1 report also stated:

“On the specific issue of a recall duty, the Scottish Government believes that, in practical terms, the Bill as drafted would allow Consumer Scotland to take the lead in coordinating a Scotland-wide response to product recalls.”

I very much welcome the Scottish Government recognising the role that the bill could play in improving product recall. The new organisation will recognise and understand our distinct circumstances, such as our rural population and our local industries. Thus, consumer Scotland will move beyond simply highlighting problems and focus on seeking solutions that can make a real difference to the lives of consumers in Scotland.

Sue Davies, head of consumer protection at consumer group Which? said:

“Scottish consumers have told us about how chronic problems across vital industries are negatively impacting their day-to-day lives, from diminishing everyday banking services to patchy telecoms connections. Our research has shown trust in these sectors is dwindling, so the need for a dedicated consumer body backed by the Scottish Government is clear.”

The bill will create an independent champion for the consumer in Scotland that will aim to reduce harm to consumers, increase confidence among consumers in dealing with businesses supplying goods and services, and increase the extent to which consumer matters are taken into account by public bodies in Scotland. When the bill is passed, we will once again have a distinctive organisation safeguarding the consumers of Scotland.

In the same item of business

The Deputy Presiding Officer (Christine Grahame) SNP
The next item of business is a debate on motion S5M-20544, in the name of Jamie Hepburn, on the Consumer Scotland Bill at stage 1. 14:52
The Minister for Business, Fair Work and Skills (Jamie Hepburn) SNP
I am very pleased to open the stage 1 debate on the Consumer Scotland Bill. Although it is a small bill, it has enormous potential to benefit the people of S...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
I call Gordon Lindhurst, convener of the Economy, Energy and Fair Work Committee, to speak on behalf of the committee. 15:04
Gordon Lindhurst (Lothian) (Con) Con
There can be little doubt that consumer spending has a significant impact on the economy. We are all consumers, after all. The late Roger Scruton said that t...
Dean Lockhart (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Con) Con
I, too, thank the committee clerking team, the witnesses and all those who gave evidence at stage 1 of the bill. The Consumer Scotland Bill is enabling legi...
Jamie Hepburn SNP
Will Dean Lockhart give way?
Dean Lockhart Con
I have a long list here, but time prevents my listing the huge number of potential consumers who could benefit from the bill. If I have time, Presiding Offic...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
The point is so intriguing that I am happy to hear the minister’s response.
Jamie Hepburn SNP
The fundamental point is that we want to create an organisation that is independent and can set its own priorities in looking at the issues of greatest consu...
Dean Lockhart Con
I look forward to that, because a huge number of consumers badly need protection and have been badly let down; the examples that I mentioned are just some of...
Richard Leonard (Central Scotland) (Lab) Lab
I will use the time that I have to probe the minister, to try to get some transparency where there is opaqueness and some clarity and substance where there i...
Jamie Hepburn SNP
One of the most obvious and immediate benefits is that, as a statutory entity, consumer Scotland will have powers to demand information from certain organisa...
Richard Leonard Lab
I thank the minister for that response, which was helpful and constructive. However, a question remains to be answered about the potential loss of resources ...
Jamie Hepburn SNP
Will the member take an intervention?
Richard Leonard Lab
I will.
Jamie Hepburn SNP
Consumer Scotland will not only be able to do that; as the bill sets out, it will have to do that. The bill places a duty on it to report on any investigatio...
Richard Leonard Lab
The point that I was in the middle of making, though, was about whether it will also be entitled—and, indeed, required—to make recommendations on both primar...
Jamie Hepburn SNP
They are in the bill.
Richard Leonard Lab
We will play a constructive role, but we will not shirk our responsibility to scrutinise the proposals. If the minister believes that that information is all...
Jamie Hepburn SNP
Will the member give way?
Richard Leonard Lab
I will not, as I am concluding my remarks. We will be critics not because we want the new consumer body to fail but precisely because we want it to succeed....
Andy Wightman (Lothian) (Green) Green
I thank the clerks of the Economy, Energy and Fair Work Committee, the Scottish Parliament information centre and all those who gave evidence on the bill. I...
Jackie Baillie Lab
He was there.
Andy Wightman Green
We have had important case law since then. Members will be very familiar with the case of Donoghue v Stevenson, which involved a snail and a bottle of ginger...
Jamie Hepburn SNP
Will the member give way?
Andy Wightman Green
Yes.
Jamie Hepburn SNP
I agree with the fundamental premise that Andy Wightman is laying out. However, does he accept that, in setting out that it is about reducing consumer harm, ...
Andy Wightman Green
That is a very fair point. We should not seek to amend the bill in such a way that we risk leaving things out by omission. Any conversations that we have wil...
Alex Cole-Hamilton (Edinburgh Western) (LD) LD
I am new to the issue, as I do not sit on the Economy, Energy and Fair Work Committee, but I have been following the bill with interest. I echo the thanks of...
Gordon MacDonald (Edinburgh Pentlands) (SNP) SNP
Since the abolition of the Scottish Consumer Council in October 2008 by the then Labour Government, there has been no dedicated Scottish body with responsibi...