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Meeting of the Parliament 25 February 2020 [Draft]

25 Feb 2020 · S5 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Period Products (Free Provision) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

That was quite a long intervention.

I agree with the member that there are issues with the registration schemes. However, this is a stage 1 debate in which we are discussing the general principles of the bill. As is the case with every bill, every member is entitled to lodge amendments, and I would like there to be a fuller discussion of the point that the member raises.

For me, the case for universal provision is worthy of consideration. With tight local government budgets, we must be convinced of any need for a universal benefit, but I was particularly swayed by the witnesses who rejected the suggestion of any kind of registration scheme. They argued convincingly that any such scheme risked stigmatising those who are least able to afford period products. Unite the union pointed out that those who need free products are the ones who are almost guaranteed not to ask for them. They are embarrassed and depressed by their situation, and they are the ones who are least likely to register. That speaks to Sandra White’s point.

What does the bill do? First, it places a duty on Scottish ministers to ensure that period products are available free of charge on a universal basis; secondly, it requires education providers to make period products available free of charge in toilets on site; thirdly, it enables the Scottish ministers to place a duty on other specified public bodies to provide free period products.

If ever there was a time to recognise that women and girls have not been encouraged to openly discuss the fact that they menstruate, it is now. It is time for the remaining taboo to end. Let Scotland be the world leader in breaking those taboos by talking about women’s health issues, whether they be periods, the menopause or anything else. Let this Parliament at least agree today the general principles of the bill, which concern the universal free provision of period products, and then let us get down to the scrutiny of the bill, as we would with any bill at stage 2.

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In the same item of business

The Presiding Officer (Ken Macintosh) NPA
Our next item of business is a stage 1 debate on motion S5M-20756, in the name of Monica Lennon, on the Period Products (Free Provision) (Scotland) Bill. I c...
Monica Lennon (Central Scotland) (Lab) Lab
This debate is possible only because we are standing tall on the shoulders of previous generations of feminists, trade unionists and equality campaigners. Be...
James Dornan (Glasgow Cathcart) (SNP) SNP
I am pleased to speak on behalf of the Local Government and Communities Committee. Today’s debate reflects the findings of the committee’s scrutiny, which we...
Neil Findlay (Lothian) (Lab) Lab
Will the member give way?
James Dornan SNP
I am just about to close. I will take an intervention if I have the time.
The Deputy Presiding Officer (Linda Fabiani) SNP
I can give you the time.
Neil Findlay Lab
How did James Dornan feel when Murdo Fraser’s member’s bill was included in its entirety, without having been through any consultation, in the legislation th...
James Dornan SNP
I am speaking as convener of the Local Government and Communities Committee. Given that we are talking about the Period Products (Free Provision) (Scotland) ...
The Cabinet Secretary for Communities and Local Government (Aileen Campbell) SNP
I am immensely proud that Scotland is a world leader on providing access to period products. Thanks to this Government’s actions, without waiting for legisla...
Monica Lennon Lab
I thank the cabinet secretary for the tone of her speech so far. It is important that we continue to work together. North Ayrshire Council launched free prov...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
There is extra time available if you need it, cabinet secretary.
Aileen Campbell SNP
Thank you very much, Presiding Officer. I know about the fantastic work that is being done in North Ayrshire. I visited Ardrossan academy to see some of th...
Graham Simpson (Central Scotland) (Con) Con
I associate myself with the words of Aileen Campbell. I agree with every word—well, most of what she said; not quite everything. I congratulate Monica Lenn...
Alex Rowley (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Lab) Lab
I know that, across the country, people have been writing to members of the Scottish Parliament—they have certainly contacted me—to say that they want what h...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
Those in the public gallery should not show appreciation or otherwise in any of the proceedings of the Parliament, please.
Graham Simpson Con
Nobody in the Parliament disagrees with what Monica Lennon is trying to achieve. The question is whether the bill is the right approach. The committee asked ...
Monica Lennon Lab
Will the member give way?
Graham Simpson Con
No. I am coming to an important bit of my speech. When the three of us committee members visited Perth, I had my eyes opened. I asked what people were payin...
Graham Simpson Con
I will take an intervention if I can get the time back.
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
I can give you the time back.
Monica Lennon Lab
I thank Graham Simpson for his contributions and for his work on the committee. I wonder whether he agrees that we have to be careful that, in asking questio...
Graham Simpson Con
One thing that should come out of this debate is that people should not be embarrassed about talking about those issues. If women have a particular medical c...
Graham Simpson Con
No. I am almost finished. As we head to stage 2, I say to Monica Lennon that the committee has a huge job to do. We must work with her. If we are going to ...
Pauline McNeill (Glasgow) (Lab) Lab
Scotland is on course to introduce the world’s most comprehensive legislation on free period products. That is thanks to Monica Lennon and her supporters, me...
James Dornan SNP
Will the member take an intervention?
Pauline McNeill Lab
Not yet. The Tories are giving very mixed signals as to whether they support the general principles of the bill, and I was astonished at some of the argumen...
Sandra White (Glasgow Kelvin) (SNP) SNP
I am not on the committee, but I have read the bill and I absolutely agree with what the member says about period poverty. However, does the member agree tha...
Pauline McNeill Lab
That was quite a long intervention. I agree with the member that there are issues with the registration schemes. However, this is a stage 1 debate in which ...
Andy Wightman (Lothian) (Green) Green
I commend Monica Lennon for bringing forward the bill. She has been campaigning on this topic since her arrival in Parliament and has worked hard to get it t...
James Dornan SNP
Will the member give way?