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Meeting of the Parliament 25 February 2020 [Draft]

25 Feb 2020 · S5 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Period Products (Free Provision) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Not yet.

The Tories are giving very mixed signals as to whether they support the general principles of the bill, and I was astonished at some of the arguments that Graham Simpson used—I have never known Jackson Carlaw to be ambushed by anyone or anything.

I want to talk about breaking the taboo of periods, not just dealing with their cost to women and girls. Mr Simpson says that women should not feel embarrassed, but women on all sides of the chamber will tell him that not being able to talk about their health has been an issue for generations of women. I will say something about that.

We might disagree, and I accept that the committee must scrutinise the bill closely, but I hope that the tone of the Tories’ contribution to the debate will change. If it did not, that would be a tragedy. I whole-heartedly welcome the change of heart that the Government has made in supporting the bill—Aileen Campbell, who gave the reasons for that today, should be congratulated—albeit that we will discuss the bill’s serious and legitimate implications as we go forward.

It is a shock to every young girl when she finds out that her body is going to change as she enters puberty and adulthood—even more so when she finds out that her period is going to arrive every month. That is life altering for most women. A new form of pain and discomfort arrives in the form of the blood and moods, and, although everyone is different, there are many associated health issues. Whether women have endometriosis, get pregnant or are not pregnant, there are implications for women’s health.

In many countries, young women are not told about their periods and are frightened when they have one for the first time. Sheh was 15 when she bled for the first time. She thought that she was sick and confided in her aunt, who told Sheh’s mother. Her mother said, “You are a woman now.” She lives in a small village near Delhi, in India, and she now works in a sanitary pad factory in that small village. A documentary has been made about the campaign in which students crowdfunded for a pad-making machine.

The taboo around periods still exists around the world. In the rest of India, periods are still a taboo topic and, in some countries, menstruating women are still considered to be impure and are barred from entering religious places. They are often also excluded from social events. In Nepal, nearly eight out of 10 girls in the Mid-Western region still sleep in dangerous outdoor menstruation huts during their periods, and, when women are on their periods, it is forbidden for them to take part in a range of everyday activities. We are talking about a global issue of equality. I should say that, after a string of high-profile deaths, the practice in Nepal was criminalised in 2018.

The need for the bill in Scotland is apparent. All the written submissions to the committee recognised that period poverty is an issue in Scotland. It is an issue of poverty.

In the same item of business

The Presiding Officer (Ken Macintosh) NPA
Our next item of business is a stage 1 debate on motion S5M-20756, in the name of Monica Lennon, on the Period Products (Free Provision) (Scotland) Bill. I c...
Monica Lennon (Central Scotland) (Lab) Lab
This debate is possible only because we are standing tall on the shoulders of previous generations of feminists, trade unionists and equality campaigners. Be...
James Dornan (Glasgow Cathcart) (SNP) SNP
I am pleased to speak on behalf of the Local Government and Communities Committee. Today’s debate reflects the findings of the committee’s scrutiny, which we...
Neil Findlay (Lothian) (Lab) Lab
Will the member give way?
James Dornan SNP
I am just about to close. I will take an intervention if I have the time.
The Deputy Presiding Officer (Linda Fabiani) SNP
I can give you the time.
Neil Findlay Lab
How did James Dornan feel when Murdo Fraser’s member’s bill was included in its entirety, without having been through any consultation, in the legislation th...
James Dornan SNP
I am speaking as convener of the Local Government and Communities Committee. Given that we are talking about the Period Products (Free Provision) (Scotland) ...
The Cabinet Secretary for Communities and Local Government (Aileen Campbell) SNP
I am immensely proud that Scotland is a world leader on providing access to period products. Thanks to this Government’s actions, without waiting for legisla...
Monica Lennon Lab
I thank the cabinet secretary for the tone of her speech so far. It is important that we continue to work together. North Ayrshire Council launched free prov...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
There is extra time available if you need it, cabinet secretary.
Aileen Campbell SNP
Thank you very much, Presiding Officer. I know about the fantastic work that is being done in North Ayrshire. I visited Ardrossan academy to see some of th...
Graham Simpson (Central Scotland) (Con) Con
I associate myself with the words of Aileen Campbell. I agree with every word—well, most of what she said; not quite everything. I congratulate Monica Lenn...
Alex Rowley (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Lab) Lab
I know that, across the country, people have been writing to members of the Scottish Parliament—they have certainly contacted me—to say that they want what h...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
Those in the public gallery should not show appreciation or otherwise in any of the proceedings of the Parliament, please.
Graham Simpson Con
Nobody in the Parliament disagrees with what Monica Lennon is trying to achieve. The question is whether the bill is the right approach. The committee asked ...
Monica Lennon Lab
Will the member give way?
Graham Simpson Con
No. I am coming to an important bit of my speech. When the three of us committee members visited Perth, I had my eyes opened. I asked what people were payin...
Graham Simpson Con
I will take an intervention if I can get the time back.
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
I can give you the time back.
Monica Lennon Lab
I thank Graham Simpson for his contributions and for his work on the committee. I wonder whether he agrees that we have to be careful that, in asking questio...
Graham Simpson Con
One thing that should come out of this debate is that people should not be embarrassed about talking about those issues. If women have a particular medical c...
Graham Simpson Con
No. I am almost finished. As we head to stage 2, I say to Monica Lennon that the committee has a huge job to do. We must work with her. If we are going to ...
Pauline McNeill (Glasgow) (Lab) Lab
Scotland is on course to introduce the world’s most comprehensive legislation on free period products. That is thanks to Monica Lennon and her supporters, me...
James Dornan SNP
Will the member take an intervention?
Pauline McNeill Lab
Not yet. The Tories are giving very mixed signals as to whether they support the general principles of the bill, and I was astonished at some of the argumen...
Sandra White (Glasgow Kelvin) (SNP) SNP
I am not on the committee, but I have read the bill and I absolutely agree with what the member says about period poverty. However, does the member agree tha...
Pauline McNeill Lab
That was quite a long intervention. I agree with the member that there are issues with the registration schemes. However, this is a stage 1 debate in which ...
Andy Wightman (Lothian) (Green) Green
I commend Monica Lennon for bringing forward the bill. She has been campaigning on this topic since her arrival in Parliament and has worked hard to get it t...
James Dornan SNP
Will the member give way?