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Meeting of the Parliament 25 February 2020 [Draft]

25 Feb 2020 · S5 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Period Products (Free Provision) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Thank you very much, Presiding Officer.

I know about the fantastic work that is being done in North Ayrshire. I visited Ardrossan academy to see some of the good work that is being done there. It is being led by the headteacher who has created a culture that allows those who need support to get it and to be treated with the dignity and respect that they deserve. That work is changing the culture, not just for the generation of pupils who are going through that school, but for generations to come, and is all the better for it.

In my evidence to the committee, I was clear that we believe that the financial memorandum underestimates the costs. What we stand to lose through the lack of flexibility could prove to be costly. We will have to work together to try to find a way through that, because there is no getting away from it that the costs that the Government is incurring now are more than the costs that are set out in the financial memorandum. That is just a fact. We will need to work through that and, if we want good legislation, a lot of hard work and endeavour will be required to make sure that the bill is fit for purpose.

It is clear that as a Parliament, across the political parties, we are collectively committed to ensuring that everyone who needs to access period products can do so. We should always remind ourselves of that. We have made huge progress in the past few years, and while we know that delivery of our policies is still in the relatively early stages, we are clearly seeing a change in culture. That has been recognised by the committee. We must ensure that the good practice that is already in place is not lost through the introduction of legislation, and that any scheme is workable and deliverable, does not have unintended consequences and offers value to the public purse.

I sincerely thank Monica Lennon and the wider stakeholders who have been so visible in this campaign for the work that has culminated in the introduction of the bill. I also thank the Local Government and Communities Committee for its careful consideration of the bill. The committee and the Scottish Government have made their concerns clear and I have made it clear that legislation could slow our progress and could prove to be costly. In the spirit of this debate and in pursuit of good legislation, Parliament will now need to pull out all the stops and work hard on the bill, collectively and collaboratively, so that it achieves everything that we across the chamber want it to, and to enable our country to emerge through this and continue to set an example that the world wants to follow.

I am proud of our work so far, although I want to make sure that we can protect it by working together across the chamber, so that we have a bill that all of the Parliament can be proud of and that we secure a legacy for generations to come.

15:12  

In the same item of business

The Presiding Officer (Ken Macintosh) NPA
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Monica Lennon (Central Scotland) (Lab) Lab
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James Dornan (Glasgow Cathcart) (SNP) SNP
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Neil Findlay (Lothian) (Lab) Lab
Will the member give way?
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I am just about to close. I will take an intervention if I have the time.
The Deputy Presiding Officer (Linda Fabiani) SNP
I can give you the time.
Neil Findlay Lab
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James Dornan SNP
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The Cabinet Secretary for Communities and Local Government (Aileen Campbell) SNP
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Monica Lennon Lab
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The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
There is extra time available if you need it, cabinet secretary.
Aileen Campbell SNP
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Graham Simpson (Central Scotland) (Con) Con
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Alex Rowley (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Lab) Lab
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The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
Those in the public gallery should not show appreciation or otherwise in any of the proceedings of the Parliament, please.
Graham Simpson Con
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Monica Lennon Lab
Will the member give way?
Graham Simpson Con
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Graham Simpson Con
I will take an intervention if I can get the time back.
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
I can give you the time back.
Monica Lennon Lab
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Graham Simpson Con
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Graham Simpson Con
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Pauline McNeill (Glasgow) (Lab) Lab
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James Dornan SNP
Will the member take an intervention?
Pauline McNeill Lab
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Sandra White (Glasgow Kelvin) (SNP) SNP
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James Dornan SNP
Will the member give way?