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Chamber

Meeting of the Parliament 19 February 2020

19 Feb 2020 · S5 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
National Health Service

Not at this time. I need to make some progress.

I recognise that the departures of Tim Davison and Brian Houston, coming as they do, side by side, will create a massive leadership gulf in NHS Lothian, but I am conscious that we have some organisational memory left there.

There are warning lights across the dashboard of our NHS. We see that day in, day out in our constituency surgeries, including in cases where there are breaches of the 12-week waiting time guarantee. We hear that people, who are sometimes in abject pain, have been asked to wait 40 or 50 weeks for basic surgery even though they are clutching the letter that we still cruelly send them to say that they have a legal right to be seen within 12 weeks.

Not only that, but the systems for mailing things out to people are still stuck in the 1970s. A lady came to see me who had had a referral for suspected mouth cancer. At the top of the referral letter that she was clutching was an admission that it had been dictated in October and typed up in December. Delays of that kind, which are caused by information sitting in a dictaphone somewhere, cost lives.

I have previously referenced Dr Patrick Statham, my meeting with whom was the first time that I had had a consultant neurosurgeon come to my surgery to complain about delayed discharge. He is turning people away from the Western general hospital every single week because there are insufficient in-patient beds in that hospital due to its inability to discharge well patients into social care packages in the community.

That is typified by the constituents whose issues I have raised several times. George Ballantyne was declared well but had to wait 150 nights in the Liberton hospital at a cost of £500 a night for the want of a care package that would have cost £80 a night. That is the myopic problem in the integration agenda and we all need to address it.

The problem is that we do not value social care staff enough. The recognition that we pay people more to stack shelves in a supermarket than to provide round-the-clock intimate care to some of our most vulnerable citizens is an outrage. It is part of the reason why there is an interruption of flow throughout the health service, which is evident in our A and E delays and the waiting times problems there.

I will speak about NHS Lothian because it is creaking at the sides. I do not hold the board or the social care partnership responsible for that. GP surgeries are groaning under the weight of the new housing that has been forced on Edinburgh and are often closing their lists to new entrants. Added to that is the fact that our population is getting older.

John Mason—who I will let intervene in a minute, because I know that he wanted to—asked Alison Johnstone whether we need to divest from hospitals to invest in healthcare in the community. I would start by not wasting £1.4 million a month on a hospital that is currently lying empty and waiting for children.

In the same item of business

The Deputy Presiding Officer (Linda Fabiani) SNP
The next item of business is a debate on motion S5M-20882, in the name of Monica Lennon, on standing up for national health service staff and patients. 14:40
Monica Lennon (Central Scotland) (Lab) Lab
I am grateful for the opportunity to use Scottish Labour’s debate time to stand up for our NHS. The motion is titled “Standing up for NHS Staff and Patients”...
The Cabinet Secretary for Health and Sport (Jeane Freeman) SNP
I am pleased to take part in the debate. We are all living longer lives now, and that is indeed good news. It is a testament to the work that our NHS underta...
Daniel Johnson (Edinburgh Southern) (Lab) Lab
I struggle to understand how increases in demand led to bad decision making regarding the building of two hospitals at both ends of the M8.
Jeane Freeman SNP
If I had been suggesting that, then I would have struggled along with the member. I am one minute and 13 seconds in to my speech, so give me a moment. Wher...
Monica Lennon Lab
Will the cabinet secretary give way?
Jeane Freeman SNP
No—let me finish. Three years ago, in February 2017, Labour announced that it was establishing an NHS workforce commission. Three years on, what is that com...
Monica Lennon Lab
We have been busy meeting the people who cannot get in front of the cabinet secretary, although she claims to have an open door. She made it a priority to es...
Jeane Freeman SNP
My response is absolutely none of those things, because that long list that Monica Lennon produced is a list of actions that we are taking—I have met those p...
Jeane Freeman SNP
I will take no more interventions.
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
Excuse me, ladies. You should not have private conversations and arguments across the chamber. Everything should come through me.
Jeane Freeman SNP
My apologies, Presiding Officer. Under this Government, since 2006-07, the annual resource investment in health has risen by 62.9 per cent, and our draft bu...
Edward Mountain (Highlands and Islands) (Con) Con
Will Jeane Freeman take an intervention?
Jeane Freeman SNP
No—I have a lot to get through. A 95 per cent performance rate for the 31-day cancer target has been met and improvements are coming through on the 62-day t...
Miles Briggs (Lothian) (Con) Con
Anyone out in the real world who has been watching the debate so far will think that the cabinet secretary does not have a grasp of what is going on in our h...
Jeane Freeman SNP
Will Miles Briggs accept two things and clarify one thing for me? First, does he accept that it was an SNP Government that abolished parking charges in those...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
Mr Briggs can have extra time.
Miles Briggs Con
Thank you very much, Presiding Officer. On Jeane Freeman’s first point, yes, but that was not the case in three hospitals where NHS staff still have to pay ...
Alison Johnstone (Lothian) (Green) Green
I thank the Labour Party for bringing these issues to the chamber. Given the challenges that our health service has been facing in the past few months, the d...
John Mason (Glasgow Shettleston) (SNP) SNP
I agree with a lot of what the member says. Does she accept that we will need to disinvest in hospitals if we are going to put more money into the community?
Alison Johnstone Green
That is a big question, which I do not have time to cover in this debate. Health inequalities, which drive a great deal of the pressure on our NHS, continue...
Monica Lennon Lab
When Alison Johnstone mentioned Brian Houston’s resignation, the Minister for Mental Health rolled her eyes. Do we have complacency at the heart of Governmen...
The Minister for Mental Health (Clare Haughey) SNP
On a point of order, Presiding Officer. I find the remarks that Monica Lennon has just made about me to be insulting. What my gestures are when I am not maki...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
You have placed your feelings on the record, minister. We will now go back to Alison Johnstone.
Alison Johnstone Green
It is clear that people in management at NHS Lothian are not feeling wholly supported or valued. That is concerning in any workplace but, in our health servi...
Alex Cole-Hamilton (Edinburgh Western) (LD) LD
It often sounds slightly clichéd to begin a speech such as this one by thanking NHS staff, but I do thank them, because they have saved the lives of two of m...
John Mason SNP
Will the member take an intervention?
Alex Cole-Hamilton LD
Not at this time. I need to make some progress. I recognise that the departures of Tim Davison and Brian Houston, coming as they do, side by side, will crea...
James Dornan (Glasgow Cathcart) (SNP) SNP
Will the member take an intervention?
Alex Cole-Hamilton LD
I will take an intervention from James Dornan, if John Mason is not ready to intervene.