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Meeting of the Parliament 18 February 2020

18 Feb 2020 · S5 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Social Prescribing
Smith, Liz Con Mid Scotland and Fife Watch on SPTV

I, too, thank the Health and Sport Committee for a very interesting report, but I concur with my colleague Brian Whittle, who said that we have been here before. I can count at least four debates in 13 years—but none in a health minister’s debate time—in which we have talked about exactly the same themes.

There are two very specific challenges. The first is translation of common sense into action that is valued and followed across the population. The second challenge is in inculcation of a different culture in respect of approaching our lives from a health and wellbeing perspective. Both are proving to be elusive—and have been for many years. Despite all the warm words and cross-party agreement on so many aspects of the debate, there has been very considerable difficulty in making the real changes that are required. We must be asking ourselves why we have, so far, been unable to turn agreement into real action.

I fully understand why investment is so important—not just in financial terms but for wellbeing. David Stewart mentioned prevention, which is critical. Increased financing of link workers, who are trained to assist with physical exercise or other opportunities in our communities, is welcome—not least because they can establish a positive link to ensure that the relationship between good health and wellbeing is embedded in their communities. That should build on the 900,000 people who attend the 13,000 sports groups in Scotland, and it should assist primary care providers in being the support that many young families require. That could be about advice about diet, help with walking children to school, or information about cycle lanes or about joining clubs and societies. We should not forget how important that is for many young people.

As members know, social prescribing has been supported in Scotland for the past 30 years. In 2016, the Government began investing in community link workers, starting with work in general practices—in particular, in socially deprived areas. That sends an important message. As Brain Whittle mentioned, it is increasingly difficult for GPs to ensure that they can carry out their work because of closures or downgrading of GP surgeries. There is also a rural aspect that is crucial.

Volunteering has come up many times in the education brief and in the cross-party group on sport. Several members who are here today have attended those meetings. Volunteering is critical to how our communities survive and thrive. We have an army of wonderful volunteers, but they are not always channelled in the right direction and do not always feel welcome, because bureaucracy gets in the way and they are not valued.

Trust, which George Adam mentioned, is essential but must be underpinned by communities being able to understand what is required from a holistic approach. If we do not have a holistic and cross-party approach, we will keep going around in circles. I know that politics is structured around portfolios that are based on certain topics, but there must be a joined-up approach that makes it easier for people to see what that holistic appeal is. We are not good at that, yet.

There are three things that have been quite powerful to me in my time in Parliament. I remember my first Education and Skills Committee meeting in May 2007. The topic was school meals and we listened to evidence from Hull in England. There had been huge success there in ensuring that youngsters were taking up school meals through the youngsters being involved in setting menus and learning what is important about using locally sourced products. We in Scotland are still not good at using the huge advantage that we have in respect of our local produce. The more that people are involved in decision making, and the more evidence we hear from places where it has worked properly, the better we will be.

It is also important that there be better co-ordination between public bodies, local authorities, arm’s-length external organisations and the general public, so that we can take advantage of the diverse skills that are on offer, because we are still not using them as we should. That is a challenge for Parliament, so we need to do something about it.

We cannot stand still any longer, and we cannot just go around in circles. We must have collective will, trust and the ability to ask and answer tough questions.

15:35  

In the same item of business

The Presiding Officer (Ken Macintosh) NPA
The next item of business is a debate on motion S5M-20753, in the name of Lewis Macdonald, on the Health and Sport Committee’s report “Social Prescribing: ph...
Lewis Macdonald (North East Scotland) (Lab) Lab
The Health and Sport Committee’s view of social prescribing can be summed up by the subtitle of our report, which is “physical activity is an investment, not...
The Minister for Public Health, Sport and Wellbeing (Joe FitzPatrick) SNP
I thank the convener for setting out the key points from the Health and Sport Committee’s report on the social prescribing of physical activity and sport. I ...
Brian Whittle (South Scotland) (Con) Con
On that specific point, does the uptake of active schools participation in areas of high deprivation not highlight that schools those areas have very little ...
Joe FitzPatrick SNP
No: it highlights the fact that all our agencies, and sportscotland in particular, are focusing their efforts. I will come to a few examples of where that fo...
Brian Whittle (South Scotland) (Con) Con
I could wax lyrical and extol the virtues of social prescribing—as most members will, I am sure. I am delighted to open the debate on behalf of the Scottish ...
Keith Brown (Clackmannanshire and Dunblane) (SNP) SNP
Mr Whittle has twice mentioned the proposed council budgets. Is the member likely to support an amendment to the proposed budget that would increase funding ...
Brian Whittle Con
I think that council budgets should be increased, because social prescribing is an investment, not a cost. The Scottish Government is getting an extra £1.1 b...
Bob Doris (Glasgow Maryhill and Springburn) (SNP) SNP
Will the member take an intervention?
Brian Whittle Con
I will get a wee bit further and then take an intervention, if that is all right. We have just heard the minister say that the Scottish Government has incre...
Bob Doris SNP
Will the member take an intervention?
The Deputy Presiding Officer (Linda Fabiani) SNP
Mr Whittle is in his last minute.
Brian Whittle Con
It appears that I am in my last minute. We have a system that acts against delivering on a report that I am sure we will all agree on. We have a Scottish Go...
David Stewart (Highlands and Islands) (Lab) Lab
Social prescribing is an idea whose time has come. I echo Lewis Macdonald’s comment that the concept is a crucial tool for the future of our health services ...
Joe FitzPatrick SNP
If I gave a different figure, I clarify that 250 more is the right figure. What I may have referred to was 800 mental health workers.
David Stewart Lab
I am happy that my research is up to scratch on this occasion. Details are required on where post holders will be based and their remits, including any diffe...
Joe FitzPatrick SNP
Will the member take an intervention on that point?
David Stewart Lab
Yes.
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
Very quickly.
Joe FitzPatrick SNP
I have seen the Labour press release on that, and it fails to mention some of the caveats that accompanied the FOI. When an organisation applies for funding,...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
I did say, “Very quickly,” minister. You have 10 seconds left, Mr Stewart.
David Stewart Lab
Thank you, Presiding Officer. The minister stole my time there. I am happy to get back to the minister about the issue, but I stand by the 11 per cent figur...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
We are very short of time for this debate. I am already looking at cutting speeches. 15:16
Alex Cole-Hamilton (Edinburgh Western) (LD) LD
Thomas Edison once said: “The doctor of the future will give no medicine, but will interest his patient in the care of the human frame, in diet and in the c...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
I move to the open debate. Every opening speech has gone over time. We are now short of time, so speeches must be strictly six minutes. 15:22
George Adam (Paisley) (SNP) SNP
I am a strong believer in social prescribing. It was Brian Whittle and I who pushed for the committee to inquire into the issue, because I have seen what a b...
Liz Smith (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Con) Con
I, too, thank the Health and Sport Committee for a very interesting report, but I concur with my colleague Brian Whittle, who said that we have been here bef...
Sandra White (Glasgow Kelvin) (SNP) SNP
I thank everyone who came to the committee to give evidence and those who sent in written evidence. I also thank the hard-working clerks who compiled the rep...
Brian Whittle Con
What we are talking about is not a cost—it is an investment. We are asking the Scottish Government to invest in social prescribing, specifically in deprived ...
Sandra White SNP
I think that you said “investment” three times after you said that you were not talking about investment. Look to yourself and your Government in Westminster...