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Chamber

Meeting of the Parliament 06 February 2020

06 Feb 2020 · S5 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Scottish Elections (Reform) Bill: Stage 1

Like colleagues in the chamber, I think that the bill represents a welcome opportunity to consider how we can improve our electoral process. As the Electoral Reform Society stated in its evidence to the Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee,

“Meaningful, and more inclusive, participation should absolutely be the cornerstone of electoral reform”.

The society also highlighted that the reforms that are before us are not

“in any way enough to achieve a democracy fit for 21st Century Scotland”

and pressed for us to ensure that any amendments that are made to the electoral system through the bill are reviewed when the outcome of the local governance review comes before Parliament. That is not to speak against the bill; it is to say that we should view it in a wider context.

The bill makes modest changes, and the Labour Party will support its general principles. We welcome the cap on spending in local government elections and the action on online advertising, which will bring Scotland into line with the rest of the UK on that issue. We also welcome the change to allow those who are aged 14 and over to join the electoral register, which several members have mentioned. That must be backed up with increased work in our schools to ensure that young people are aware of local government and how it interacts with their lives.

When the Parliament was set up, there was a huge effort in that regard, and that has continued. Those of us who have hosted school visits to the Parliament know that there is interaction, that teachers are interested in what we do and that young people are engaged. The challenge is to achieve real engagement in school so that young people want to get active, to vote and potentially to stand as candidates. I hope that the changes will be important and will be followed through with education in order to improve voter turnout among young people. The changes could serve as an example for UK elections.

We have some reservations about the bill. Quite a few members have mentioned electronic voting. We have heard about problems across Europe and in the US and the fact that electronic voting does not increase participation. Electronic voting can be problematic, and it can cause staffing issues in polling stations. As we have heard, in one or two parts of Europe, electronic voting has not worked. For example, after the introduction of electronic voting in Belgium, where voting is compulsory, voting numbers dropped. We need to look at the issue in a bit more depth, and stage 2 could be a good opportunity to do so.

We want to modernise the process of voting, but there is an issue with the integrity of the process, which is paramount. Electronic voting will potentially make the process more streamlined but, if big organisations such as banks and other financial institutions are not safe from cyberattack with all the budgets that they have, we really have to flag up a concern that there could be issues. Neil Findlay’s and Mark Ruskell’s suggestions about postal ballots are worth looking at in considering how to encourage people to get involved.

Another area that was discussed is the numbers of councillors in council wards and the concern about underrepresentation. It has not been mentioned so far that we are one of the most underrepresented countries in the world. We have only one elected representative for every 4,270 people. On one level, moving to two and five-member wards gives flexibility, and it has been welcomed by some, but the comments today—

In the same item of business

The Deputy Presiding Officer (Christine Grahame) SNP
The next item of business is a debate on motion S5M-20740, in the name of Graeme Dey, on the Scottish Elections (Reform) Bill at stage 1. 16:12
The Minister for Parliamentary Business and Veterans (Graeme Dey) SNP
I thank the Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee for its scrutiny of the bill and its stage 1 report. I also thank the Local Government an...
Bill Kidd (Glasgow Anniesland) (SNP) SNP
As the convener of the Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee, I am pleased to speak on behalf of the committee in this debate. As has been...
Richard Lyle (Uddingston and Bellshill) (SNP) SNP
I note that the consultation included a proposal to remove the current legal requirement for candidates’ addresses to appear on ballot papers for local gover...
Bill Kidd SNP
I thank the member for raising that subject, which was discussed in committee. A number of people raised concerns with us about security and safety, which ha...
Adam Tomkins (Glasgow) (Con) Con
Broadly, we welcome the bill, and we will be supporting it at stage 1. It contains mainly technical, but nonetheless important, changes to aspects of elector...
Neil Findlay (Lothian) (Lab) Lab
Will the member take an intervention?
Adam Tomkins Con
Let me finish my point and then I will let Mr Findlay in—if I have time, Presiding Officer. Surely, we do not want the new flexibility, which section 4 of t...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
There is time for interventions.
Neil Findlay Lab
I very much agree with what Adam Tomkins is saying, but the committee took evidence from one academic who argued for very large wards in order to ensure prop...
Adam Tomkins Con
It is a very odd day in the Scottish Parliament, because not only does Mr Findlay agree with me, but I agree with Mr Findlay—on this matter. We must, therefo...
Neil Findlay (Lothian) (Lab) Lab
I thank the committee’s members and convener and the clerks who have been helping us through the bill. We have had some very interesting evidence sessions. I...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
I call Mark Ruskell to open for the Green Party. Mr Ruskell, I will be generous with you, also. 16:40
Mark Ruskell (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Green) Green
Thank you, Presiding Officer. I join other members in thanking the clerks, all those who gave evidence, and the other members of the committee for their cons...
Willie Rennie (North East Fife) (LD) LD
I do not know what Neil Findlay is talking about; this is the stuff that Liberal Democrats love to talk about. I was formerly an election agent and I would s...
Neil Findlay Lab
As Willie Rennie is a Liberal Democrat, that is the least surprising thing that I have ever heard.
Willie Rennie LD
Neil Findlay and I might have one of those discussions ourselves—I might inflict that on him. Adam Tomkins is objecting to that for some reason. During the ...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
We now move to the open debate. Speeches should be of up to five minutes. 16:51
Gil Paterson (Clydebank and Milngavie) (SNP) SNP
As Neil Findlay and other members from across the chamber have said, on the face of it the Scottish Elections (Reform) Bill might seem to be dry and technica...
Tom Mason (North East Scotland) (Con) Con
Because elements of the bill relate to local government, I declare an interest as a councillor in Aberdeen City Council. The Standards, Procedures and Publi...
Sarah Boyack (Lothian) (Lab) Lab
Like colleagues in the chamber, I think that the bill represents a welcome opportunity to consider how we can improve our electoral process. As the Electoral...
Tom Mason Con
Will the member take an intervention?
Sarah Boyack Lab
Yes, briefly.
Tom Mason Con
Is it the case that up to very recently—when we left the European Union—every member of the Scottish community had 19 elected representatives?
Sarah Boyack Lab
We do not have the same level of local representation that there is in the rest of the EU. Everybody has focused on proportionality, which I totally agree w...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
You will have to be quick.
Sarah Boyack Lab
I ask the minister to have a look at multimember wards, which have been mentioned by a couple of members, and do a proper review of how they have worked and ...
Annabelle Ewing (Cowdenbeath) (SNP) SNP
I am pleased to speak in the stage 1 debate on the Scottish Elections (Reform) Bill. As we know, the bill is part of a package of measures that are intended ...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
We move to closing speeches. 17:13
Neil Findlay Lab
At the beginning of the debate, Gil Paterson made an important point about the desire to see every election have its own focus. That is right. When elections...