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Meeting of the Parliament 05 February 2020

05 Feb 2020 · S5 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Tax and Public Spending
Grant, Rhoda Lab Highlands and Islands Watch on SPTV

I am quite short of time and I wish to make a number of points.

That approach has had an impact on lifeline services and, in turn, on the most vulnerable people in our communities. Many councils are reduced to providing statutory services instead of being able to bring on front-line services that protect our communities. Since 2007, councils have lost 40,000 jobs—a level of job losses that would have been unacceptable in any other sector. In the budget, they will be expected to deliver additional services to the tune of £497 million, and they must therefore receive a fair settlement to allow them to deliver those additional services and invest in our communities.

Councils must be enabled to deliver care in the community. The failure to tackle the social care crisis and the critical underfunding of local authorities continue to put pressure on the wider healthcare system. People who are fit to go back to the comfort of their own homes to recover are instead stuck in hospitals. It is soul destroying for them to know that they could be at home, where they would be more comfortable, but instead they are stuck in hospital, where visiting hours are restricted and there is a higher risk of infections, so people feel vulnerable.

The Scottish Government set up integration joint boards to deal with that situation. Sadly, all that it appears to have achieved is the creation of an additional layer of bureaucracy without the checks and balances that are faced by health boards and local government. Many of the IJBs are already in deficit, and the situation is not getting better. The latest figures from the Information Services Division show that, in December 2019, 45,404 bed days were spent in hospital by patients who were medically fit to leave, which is a 6 per cent increase on the same month in 2018. Since Jeane Freeman assumed office as the Cabinet Secretary for Health and Sport, the cost to health boards of delayed discharge has reached a shocking total of £197.8 million.

However, local government and social care are not alone in bearing the brunt of cuts. Tuition fee income, which universities can generate from international students and those living in the rest of the UK, has replaced Scottish funding council grants as the single biggest source of income for Scottish universities. Our colleges have also faced a sustained lack of investment although they are the institutions that provide in-work learning. Our economy is in danger if we do not train people in robotics and digital technologies, which will impact on every aspect of industry.

In the same item of business

The Deputy Presiding Officer (Christine Grahame) SNP
The next item of business is a debate on motion S5M-20716, in the name of Murdo Fraser, on there being no case for tax increases or further cuts to public sp...
Murdo Fraser (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Con) Con
Tomorrow, the Cabinet Secretary for Finance, Economy and Fair Work will set out his budget for the coming financial year. I think that we are all looking for...
The Cabinet Secretary for Finance, Economy and Fair Work (Derek Mackay) SNP
That is not true.
Murdo Fraser Con
If the finance secretary wants to intervene and explain to me why that is not true, I will give way.
Derek Mackay SNP
Does Murdo Fraser not understand—or, indeed, know—that the tax forecasts are made by the Scottish Fiscal Commission and not by the Scottish Government?
Murdo Fraser Con
I regret to tell the finance secretary that he is wrong, because the overestimate that I referred to was an estimate that was made by the Scottish Government...
John Mason (Glasgow Shettleston) (SNP) SNP
Does Murdo Fraser accept that it was not entirely the Government that was responsible for that estimate, and that Her Majesty’s Revenue and Customs did not k...
Murdo Fraser Con
John Mason makes a reasonable point in relation to the original forecast of tax revenues, but my point is that we now have much better information for the fo...
The Minister for Public Finance and Digital Economy (Kate Forbes) SNP
Will Murdo Fraser give way?
Murdo Fraser Con
No. Let me make some progress. Our proposals are costed at £777 million. I was therefore rather surprised to see that the Government’s amendment to our moti...
Kate Forbes SNP
Would Murdo Fraser be willing to publish his costings and associated lines?
Murdo Fraser Con
I would be absolutely delighted to do that. I will pass them across the chamber to the finance minister right now. The two areas that we view as priorities ...
Murdo Fraser Con
Mr Rennie caught my eye first, so I will give way to him.
Willie Rennie LD
I hear what Murdo Fraser is saying, which is why I am confused that his motion and budget proposals implicitly support the tax rise by refusing to reverse it...
Murdo Fraser Con
I am grateful for Willie Rennie’s intervention, because I was just going to make precisely that point. He has given me a cue to do that. I would dearly love...
Patrick Harvie Green
Will the member take an intervention?
Murdo Fraser Con
I need to make some progress. My colleagues will set out in more detail later in the debate our priorities for public services spending, but when it comes t...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
I call Kate Forbes to speak to and move amendment S5M-20716.4. 15:33
The Minister for Public Finance and Digital Economy (Kate Forbes) SNP
Why have a budget debate once when you can have one three, four or five times? I am delighted to be here again to talk about the budget, which will be publis...
Murdo Fraser Con
On that point, would the minister accept the point that was made in evidence to the Finance and Constitution Committee last week by the Fraser of Allander in...
Kate Forbes SNP
It is worth reflecting on two points. The first is that, at the beginning of the process of the devolution of tax-raising powers, there will inevitably be qu...
Miles Briggs (Lothian) (Con) Con
Can the minister confirm that we will not see any more of the cuts that we have seen to drug and alcohol budgets from this SNP Government?
Kate Forbes SNP
I look forward to the member participating in tomorrow’s budget debate. I am, of course, not going to confirm anything that will be in the budget tomorrow, b...
Rhoda Grant (Highlands and Islands) (Lab) Lab
Austerity has caused untold harm to our communities. Surely, none of us came into politics to see a world in which families are dependent on food banks, maln...
Patrick Harvie Green
I am glad that the member agrees that a climate emergency budget is necessary and that public investment must be forthcoming. Is the Labour Party’s position ...
Rhoda Grant Lab
That question leads me nicely on to an intervention that we have proposed, which is for free bus travel for the under-25s. That not only would increase the u...
John Mason SNP
Will the member give way?
Rhoda Grant Lab
I am quite short of time and I wish to make a number of points. That approach has had an impact on lifeline services and, in turn, on the most vulnerable pe...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
You must conclude and move your amendment, please.
Rhoda Grant Lab
I will move to my conclusion, Presiding Officer. Our budget requests are realistic—