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Meeting of the Parliament 16 January 2020

16 Jan 2020 · S5 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Disclosure (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
Todd, Maree SNP Highlands and Islands Watch on SPTV

I am pleased to open the debate on the general principles of the Disclosure (Scotland) Bill. I thank everyone who has contributed to developing the bill so far.

The bill is ambitious and touches on complex and diverse matters. Input from private individuals, employers, advocates, regulators and many others has been absolutely invaluable to understanding what they need and what we can achieve with the bill. We have been listening since its introduction. We have listened to the evidence that was given to the Education and Skills Committee and have engaged with more than 700 individuals, including children and young people, through events held by Disclosure Scotland and Volunteer Scotland. We have worked hard throughout to discover how we can make state disclosure work better for everyone.

I know that the proposals in the bill represent a significant change. To get all the benefits of the changes, we will need to maintain that engagement as we work towards implementation. I believe that the evidence that was given to the committee reflects the level of constructive cross-sector engagement that there has already been with a view to getting the bill right.

I also thank the members of the Education and Skills Committee for their considered approach to stage 1. In particular, I welcome the committee’s support for the general principles of the bill. I have taken time to consider its recommendations, and I am just as committed as it has been in providing a constructive response.

In recent years, the Scottish Government has worked to improve the justice, rehabilitation and disclosure systems. The Disclosure (Scotland) Bill is the next step in ensuring that we can continue to support safeguarding Scotland’s most vulnerable people while recognising the right of people to move on from their past behaviour. It is in that context that I am considering the committee’s recommendations.

The bill introduces new and reformed processes to allow certain information that could be disclosed to be fairly assessed. The current system provides only limited opportunity for people to challenge what is included in their disclosure. The reforms will ensure that people can interact with the disclosure process and expect it to take account of their circumstances. That does not mean that we will stop disclosing information that is relevant to safeguarding; it simply means that our disclosure system will be better able to take into account the individual circumstances surrounding offending behaviour.

That is particularly important when considering childhood offending. The bill will afford new protections to people who, as children, came into contact with the justice and hearings systems. The provisions allow the full context of childhood behaviour to be considered before a decision is made about whether to disclose such information to a third party.

I welcome the committee’s recognition of the particular needs of care-experienced people and our duty to listen carefully to their voices in developing policy. In evidence, we heard from Robert Dorrian, a care-experienced young person who described how a childhood conviction, for which he was admonished, followed him through his education and limited his opportunities as a young adult. That must change. It is vital that people who have experienced adversities in childhood are not further held back as they try to move on as adults.

In the same item of business

The Deputy Presiding Officer (Christine Grahame) SNP
The next item of business is a debate on motion S5M-20452, in the name of Maree Todd, on the Disclosure (Scotland) Bill at stage 1. 14:54
The Minister for Children and Young People (Maree Todd) SNP
I am pleased to open the debate on the general principles of the Disclosure (Scotland) Bill. I thank everyone who has contributed to developing the bill so f...
Daniel Johnson (Edinburgh Southern) (Lab) Lab
The minister’s point about how such incidents can affect future chances is very well made. However, a concern was raised about whether sufficient considerati...
Maree Todd SNP
We have given a great deal of consideration to the committee’s concerns about the disclosure of other relevant information, or ORI. I assure Mr Johnson that ...
Liz Smith (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Con) Con
I entirely agree with the minister about the sensitivities over the issue—what she has just said is absolutely right. One issue that was put to the committ...
Maree Todd SNP
The bill proposes that an individual who requests a disclosure certificate will see the information about them that is to be disclosed before the employer do...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
I call Clare Adamson to speak on behalf of the Education and Skills Committee. 15:07
Clare Adamson (Motherwell and Wishaw) (SNP) SNP
As the convener of the Education and Skills Committee, I thank the committee members and the clerking team for their support during the stage 1 deliberations...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
No, no—you can have a bit of extra time if you need it. I saw you looking anxiously at the clock, but we have a little time in hand.
Clare Adamson SNP
I will conclude by reiterating that the committee supports the general principles of the bill. However, we believe that there are several areas of the bill t...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
There is a little time in hand, so I will not be too restrictive on timing—within limits. 15:17
Liz Smith (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Con) Con
I put on record the fact that I hold a current PVG certificate. The Disclosure (Scotland) Bill was introduced in Parliament on 12 June 2019, and it is clear...
Maree Todd SNP
Since the Rehabilitation of Offenders Act 1974 was developed, the period of disclosure has always been set from the date of conviction and based on the dispo...
The Deputy Presiding Officer (Linda Fabiani) SNP
That was a long intervention. I can give you extra time, Ms Smith.
Liz Smith Con
That is a welcome clarification, and I fully understand the rationale behind what the minister has just said. It is encouraging that that has been considered...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
I can quite happily give you another minute or so.
Liz Smith Con
Thank you. These are important points. I turn to volunteering, which my colleague Brian Whittle will focus on. The purpose of the bill must be about trust i...
Iain Gray (East Lothian) (Lab) Lab
I am pleased to join the welcome in the chamber for the bill, following the committee’s report. As members from other parties in the chamber will, my Labour ...
Ross Greer (West Scotland) (Green) Green
As a PVG scheme member, I found the stage 1 process interesting. Robust and efficient safeguarding procedures are essential for protection of vulnerable grou...
Beatrice Wishart (Shetland Islands) (LD) LD
The process of disclosure rests on the ability to have both consistency and discretion so that the system is able to ensure both fairness and protection. I a...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
That concludes the opening speeches. We move to the open debate. Speeches should be about six minutes, please. I have a little bit of time in hand for interv...
Rona Mackay (Strathkelvin and Bearsden) (SNP) SNP
I am happy to speak in this stage 1 debate. I consider it necessary to introduce the bill at this time. Perhaps the best way to explain why is by quoting the...
Brian Whittle (South Scotland) (Con) Con
I remind Parliament that I currently hold a PVG certificate, primarily because I am still active in coaching all age groups, and vulnerable groups. I am plea...
Alex Neil (Airdrie and Shotts) (SNP) SNP
I welcome the bill. Over the past 20 years or so, the Parliament has passed very few bills that will impact on as many people in Scotland as the Disclosure (...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
I remind members to always use colleagues’ full names when they refer to them in their speeches. I know that we are all pals, but it is useful for the offici...
Mary Fee (West Scotland) (Lab) Lab
I thank the Education and Skills Committee for its work throughout stage 1, which has provided us with an informative stage 1 report. I also express my grati...
Jenny Gilruth (Mid Fife and Glenrothes) (SNP) SNP
I thank the Education and Skills Committee clerks, the bill team and all the witnesses who provided evidence ahead of the publication of our stage 1 report. ...
Maurice Corry (West Scotland) (Con) Con
I welcome this first stage of the Disclosure (Scotland) Bill, and I thank the members of the Education and Skills Committee and the clerks for their efforts ...
Gail Ross (Caithness, Sutherland and Ross) (SNP) SNP
I add my thanks to the clerks, my fellow committee members and everyone who has given evidence to the Education and Skills Committee, both in writing and in ...
The Presiding Officer (Ken Macintosh) NPA
We move to closing speeches. 16:31