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Chamber

Meeting of the Parliament 27 November 2019

27 Nov 2019 · S5 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Mental Health

I would like to make some progress, please.

Despite the higher profile of mental health, it is still not discussed as much as, and treated on a par with, physical health.

The Liberal Democrat motion raises many important points, simply because there are so many concerns around mental health across the board. It is right to say that there is a mental health crisis, although our colleagues on the Government benches might not agree with that. Although not all the causes may lie with the Scottish Government, it is only right that it should bear the ultimate responsibility for that crisis. Waiting times for CAMHS, underinvestment in services, a lack of staff and a scaling back of commitments are just some of the major issues, as the motion highlights, and more should be done to invest in mental health to create a parity between physical and mental health.

The most recent release of statistics on child and adolescent mental health services shows that three in 10 children and young people are not being seen within the 18-week target. In fact, the waiting time target has not been met during the First Minister’s time in office. In 2018-19, more than 5,000 children and young people waited longer than 18 weeks to access services and support, and a further 7,000 were rejected for referrals to CAMHS, with little by way of alternatives or treatment options being available to those who were rejected.

Those children and young people are being let down now, and the consequences could follow them well into adulthood. The transition from CAMHS to adult services is a quagmire to navigate for many people, which adds to their stress and furthers the trauma, not only for the young person but for the family. That is why Scottish Labour lodged its amendment, which has a special focus on children and young people.

The First Minister’s announcement in 2018 that every school would have a mental health counsellor was welcomed by Scottish Labour, and it remains welcome today. Sadly, however, as Annie Wells highlighted, the pace of implementation means that hundreds of schoolchildren are missing out now on vital access to a school counsellor. There has been a reannouncement of that commitment 14 months after it was made and just days before this debate. Access to a school counsellor who can provide the right level of support at a very early stage has the potential to fundamentally change a young person’s long-term mental health and wellbeing. Surely that is the kind of transformational change that we all want to see.

Returning to the motion, we agree that serious questions need to be answered on mental health worker recruitment. The Scottish Government promised an extra 800 mental health staff by March 2022 in A and E, GP settings, prisons and custody suites. The period for delivering on that is now 50 per cent of the way through, but only 40 per cent of the staff promised are in place. In fact, the promise has been watered down, because a third of the new staff delivered are in “other settings”, rather than in the places where the original commitment guaranteed they would be.

Prisons, in particular, need access to more mental health staff, because we know that the prison population has greater levels of poor mental health. Given my long-standing work on supporting prisoners and their families, I find it disappointing that the announcement appears to have been watered down. Properly supporting offenders and their families is crucial if we are to break the cycle of reoffending—I have seen all too often the impact of failure to support offenders who have poor mental health. It is vital that the proper support and help are available to all offenders. More important, that support must be tailored to meet need.

In the same item of business

The Presiding Officer (Ken Macintosh) NPA
The next item of business is a Scottish Liberal Democrat debate on motion S5M-03438, in the name of Willie Rennie, on mental health. 14:39
Willie Rennie (North East Fife) (LD) LD
What I am about to tell the chamber is quite shocking; it should shake the Government to the core. I am disappointed that Humza Yousaf, the Cabinet Secretary...
Keith Brown (Clackmannanshire and Dunblane) (SNP) SNP
On the subject of being ashamed, is Willie Rennie ashamed that the last time that the Liberal Democrats were in power, they oversaw huge budget cuts to menta...
Willie Rennie LD
Police officers across the country will be listening to the deputy leader of the Scottish National Party. They will be furious that he has ignored every word...
Neil Findlay (Lothian) (Lab) Lab
Will Willie Rennie give way?
Willie Rennie LD
I will in a second. Only 3 per cent of officers think that Police Scotland cares, and 35 per cent turn up for work mentally unwell. The Government should be...
Neil Findlay Lab
When they turn up at work, those very same officers have to deal with increasing numbers of mental health cases in their duties every day. The officers I was...
Willie Rennie LD
Neil Findlay is very much in touch with what is happening. He understands the pressures that our police officers are under, which is exactly what I am about ...
The Cabinet Secretary for Health and Sport (Jeane Freeman) SNP
Will Willie Rennie take an intervention?
Willie Rennie LD
I will in a second. I have spoken before about how the strategy was 15 months late, which delayed critical investment. Today, I want to talk about progress ...
Jeane Freeman SNP
Will Willie Rennie give way?
Willie Rennie LD
In a second. A third of the staff hired so far have been diverted to those “other settings”. The Scottish Association for Mental Health wants clarification ...
Jeane Freeman SNP
Notwithstanding Willie Rennie’s point about psychological therapies, which I do not dismiss, eight out of 10 patients are seen within the 18-week period that...
Willie Rennie LD
That is fine, but it is not what the Government promised. The Government promised that the personnel would go to “A&E departments, GP practices, police...
The Minister for Public Health, Sport and Wellbeing (Joe FitzPatrick) SNP
Mental health is a priority for the Government. It is not a short-term priority and it is not a here today, gone tomorrow political issue. Instead, mental he...
Neil Findlay Lab
Will the minister take an intervention on that point?
Joe FitzPatrick SNP
I would like to make a little progress first, and then I will see whether I have time. The Government is taking a long-term, wide-ranging approach to mental...
Miles Briggs (Lothian) (Con) Con
I notice that the Government’s amendment attempts to delete the word “crisis” from the Liberal Democrats’ motion. Recently, the Royal College of Psychiatrist...
Joe FitzPatrick SNP
Through the policies that it is putting in place, the Scottish Government is making stringent efforts to improve the situation. There is a huge contrast betw...
Alex Cole-Hamilton (Edinburgh Western) (LD) LD
Will the member take an intervention?
Joe FitzPatrick SNP
I will cover some of the points that Mr Rennie made earlier. As of October, more than 320 full-time equivalent mental health workers have been recruited and...
Willie Rennie LD
Will the member take an intervention?
Joe FitzPatrick SNP
Time is tight and I want to cover one of the main areas that Willie Rennie covered. Through a strong collaborative approach across different services, the p...
Annie Wells (Glasgow) (Con) Con
I thank the Liberal Democrats for bringing this important debate to the chamber. No one in the chamber can deny the growing recognition in Scotland of the ne...
Jeane Freeman SNP
Does Ms Wells accept that, as we are halfway through the period, having half the number of community link workers that was committed to is a reasonable posit...
Annie Wells Con
We have one year left in which to recruit. We have seen the number move at such a slow pace. I just want to make sure that the targets are met, so I am looki...
Mary Fee (West Scotland) (Lab) Lab
I thank the Liberal Democrats for lodging today’s motion on mental health. I associate myself with what has been said about the frankly shocking statistics o...
Emma Harper (South Scotland) (SNP) SNP
Will the member take an intervention?
Mary Fee Lab
I would like to make some progress, please. Despite the higher profile of mental health, it is still not discussed as much as, and treated on a par with, ph...
Jeane Freeman SNP
Mary Fee knows that I share her commitment to the quality of work that is done with offenders. Does she accept that the approach has to be collaborative? If ...