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Meeting of the Parliament 07 November 2019

07 Nov 2019 · S5 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Referendums (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

I am sorry that Adam Tomkins did not listen to the paragraph that I have just read, because it gave the answer to his question. The Scottish Government will provide a response to the committee before the start of stage 2, and it will be a positive response.

The purpose of the bill is to put in place a standing framework of conduct and campaign rules that could be applied to any national referendum in Scotland. My intention is that the rules will meet the highest standards of electoral administration and regulation and reflect international best practice. That will ensure that the debate on a future referendum concentrates on the merit of the issue, not the process.

There is existing legislation that sets out the rules and approaches to referendums held in Scotland, but there is no such Scottish legislation. This bill, therefore, addresses a specific gap in the devolved legislative landscape, which is important considering that we are responsible for our own franchise. I am pleased that the committee has recognised the importance of the work and has unanimously supported the policy intention of the bill. I am sure that the Westminster maxim that the vote follows the voice—and vice versa—will, therefore, be followed.

As with all elections, the needs of voters should be at the heart of our considerations. By establishing a consistent set of rules and aligning those with rules familiar to voters from other polls, we will ensure that it is as easy as possible for voters to participate.

As I indicated when I gave evidence to the Delegated Powers and Law Reform Committee and the Finance and Constitution Committee, I am always open to alternative approaches to aspects of any bill for which I am responsible, where those would more effectively facilitate the policy aims. I therefore welcome the suggestions made by the finance committee on ways to improve the bill.

The committee recommended that the bill be changed to mandate that referendums on constitutional matters must be taken forward by primary legislation and that other referendums should normally require primary legislation. I am happy to accept the committee’s recommendation that changes should be made to section 1 of the bill.

I agree that, normally, a short bill should be the way to trigger a referendum. For the avoidance of doubt, I can confirm that any proposal for a future Scottish independence referendum, for example, should now require a short bill.

I will also reflect seriously on the second question that the committee posed for me, which is whether it is appropriate for some less contentious referendums to be triggered by secondary legislation. I will bring forward further details of my approach before stage 2.

One thing that would be set by the trigger legislation would be the regulated campaign period for the poll, which is also referred to as the referendum period. The committee heard evidence that suggested that a default period should be set. I have always been open to setting a default campaign period, and I am convinced by the evidence that has been put forward that it is in the interests of voters that that should happen and that the period should be 10 weeks. Therefore, I intend to move an amendment at stage 2 to set that default.

Voter information and engagement before and during any referendum campaign is an important matter, as is the scope of restrictions on publications in the days leading to the poll—which, of course, the Scottish Parliament is presently suffering. The Scottish Government works in close partnership with other agencies, such as Education Scotland, to ensure that young voters receive appropriate education in citizenship and political literacy. Electoral stakeholders also undertake specific work to engage with young voters on registration matters. There is a clear role for specific organisations to provide information during the run-up to the poll. We will therefore make changes to the provisions on pre-poll publication restrictions to ensure that the Scottish Parliamentary Corporate Body can continue its business as usual and to allow electoral registration officers to continue their work on promoting voter registration.

The committee has made a number of recommendations on the conduct of polls. I greatly value the expertise of electoral administrators and the Electoral Commission in delivering elections and referendums. We will give careful consideration to the recommendations of the Electoral Commission and other stakeholders on possible refinements to the conduct rules. I can confirm that I will lodge amendments on a number of technical issues, such as to require the chief counting officer to consult with the Electoral Commission on issuing directions. I reiterate my strong intention that administrators should have the appropriate time and resources to undertake their duties to the highest standard.

We have made it clear that the Scottish Government will fund the necessary arrangements for a referendum that is held under the framework. We have reflected on the feedback from stakeholders and have made specific provision in the bill to account for areas of additional costs, such as any additional registration costs that might fall on electoral registration officers. My officials will continue to work with administrators during the implementation of the bill to ensure that they receive all the support that they need to deliver any future poll, which has been promised.

I intend to work with the SPCB and the Electoral Commission to ensure that the funding arrangements in the bill are acceptable and align with the conversation that the Parliament is due to have on the Scottish Elections (Reform) Bill over the coming months.

I will respond positively in due course to the committee’s request for additional information on the costs that are set out in the financial memorandum.

I turn to the recommendations concerning the campaign rules. It is imperative that any electoral event is properly regulated.

In the same item of business

The Presiding Officer (Ken Macintosh) NPA
The next item of business is a debate on motion S5M-19743, in the name of Michael Russell, on the Referendums (Scotland) Bill at stage 1. 14:21
The Cabinet Secretary for Government Business and Constitutional Relations (Michael Russell) SNP
I thank the Finance and Constitution Committee and the Delegated Powers and Law Reform Committee for their consideration of the bill. I thank their conveners...
Adam Tomkins (Glasgow) (Con) Con
Will the member take an intervention?
Michael Russell SNP
If I can be allowed to make a little progress beyond the first paragraph, that would be helpful. The Scottish Government will provide a response to the lead...
Adam Tomkins Con
In his opening remarks, the cabinet secretary talked about the courtesy of the Finance and Constitution Committee and the Delegated Powers and Law Reform Com...
Michael Russell SNP
I am sorry that Adam Tomkins did not listen to the paragraph that I have just read, because it gave the answer to his question. The Scottish Government will ...
Neil Findlay (Lothian) (Lab) Lab
Before the cabinet secretary moves on, will he give us examples of other referenda that might happen? What type of issues might be covered?
Michael Russell SNP
A number of examples were, of course, given during the discussion of the matter in the Delegated Powers and Law Reform Committee, of which Neil Findlay is a ...
Neil Findlay Lab
I am not a member of it.
Michael Russell SNP
Mr Findlay should allow me to finish. They were also laid out in the discussion in the Finance and Constitution Committee. For example, a range of issues mig...
Michael Russell SNP
A man of such imagination as Mr Findlay, and Mr Tomkins and Mr Rumbles, who have now risen, will have proposals. I have no idea what they are, but I welcome ...
Adam Tomkins Con
In response to Mr Findlay’s question, the cabinet secretary talked about referendum proposals from the citizens assembly. Why is there no provision in the bi...
Michael Russell SNP
Because the assembly has made no such proposals, and it is only just under way. Were it to make proposals, they could be fed in through the Government or by ...
Mike Rumbles LD
I thank the cabinet secretary for giving way. I am not a member of the Finance and Constitution Committee and neither are any of my Liberal Democrat colleagu...
Michael Russell SNP
I said that there were discussions; I did not say that I set out examples. I commend the wonderful Official Report of those committee meetings. They will con...
Neil Findlay Lab
Will the cabinet secretary give way?
Michael Russell SNP
No, I am almost finished. The bill seeks to establish a high-quality set of rules developed specifically for Scotland, which will ensure that the conduct of...
The Presiding Officer NPA
I call Bruce Crawford, convener of the Finance and Constitution Committee, to speak on behalf of the committee. 14:35
Bruce Crawford (Stirling) (SNP) SNP
One of the ambitions of Scottish devolution was to create a new politics based on a much more consensual approach rather than the more adversarial style of p...
Adam Tomkins (Glasgow) (Con) Con
Let me open with a quote: “We have never hidden the fact that I see this bill being used by the Parliament and the Government to create the referendum for i...
Stewart Stevenson (Banffshire and Buchan Coast) (SNP) SNP
Will the member take an intervention?
Adam Tomkins Con
I will do so in a minute. For that reason we will oppose this unwanted referendums bill at every stage, including in the stage 1 vote this evening. We will ...
Stewart Stevenson SNP
Will the member take an intervention before he gets to the detail?
Adam Tomkins Con
Not at the moment. Not only is the SNP trying to steamroller us into a second independence referendum; it is trying to rig that referendum by playing fast a...
Michael Russell SNP
Will the member give way?
Adam Tomkins Con
In a few moments. Those are big decisions, and the process for making them deserves—indeed, demands—the fullest scrutiny. That is why passing a bill, rather...
Michael Russell SNP
It is disappointing that the member, who is a professor of constitutional law, does not know that secondary legislation is not about clicking fingers—but we ...
Adam Tomkins Con
How does it enhance democracy for this Parliament not to be allowed to debate whether there should be any future referendum? That is the question before us t...
Alex Rowley (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Lab) Lab
In opening for Labour, I acknowledge the work of the Finance and Constitution Committee in holding evidence sessions and producing a report for the stage 1 d...
Patrick Harvie (Glasgow) (Green) Green
It is clear that Alex Rowley has concerns and disagrees with those of us who support independence on the idea of more constitutional referendums. However, di...