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Chamber

Meeting of the Parliament 06 November 2019

06 Nov 2019 · S5 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Curriculum for Excellence
Mackay, Rona SNP Strathkelvin and Bearsden Watch on SPTV

I understand that Professor Scott carried out a great deal of detailed work. I cannot say for sure whether it is 100 per cent accurate. We can throw statistics around, but I cannot say that for sure. I am more interested in outcomes, and we have a record of successful outcomes, which are far more important than someone criticising curriculum for excellence.

Under the present Scottish Government, the number of young people leaving school with five highers or more has gone up, and last year was the first time ever that 30 per cent of pupils got at least five highers or better—an increase of 22.2 per cent from 2009-10.

That was one of the points that I raised with Professor Jim Scott during his evidence session at the Education and Skills Committee’s review of the senior phase of education. Frankly, he was at a loss to answer it. In relation to a further question from my colleague Jenny Gilruth, however, he said:

“We have a situation in which CFE should be a world-class initiative, and it has the potential to be so. I have debated with a few people in this room what the first committee started with in terms of ... a view of education, and I do not think that any of us disagreed that CFE is other than a good idea.”—[Official Report, Education and Skills Committee, 24 April 2019; c 19.]

There are record numbers in higher education, and record numbers of students from deprived areas are going on to further education and achieving qualifications. Indeed, the gap between those from the most and least deprived areas achieving a higher or better is at a record low, having reduced for the eighth consecutive year. We should be celebrating that, instead of talking it down.

The Scottish Government is building on that success and is continuing its dedication to the young people of Scotland by committing to provide a further £750 million during this parliamentary session to raise attainment, including £120 million of pupil equity funding going directly to schools, on top of the £50 million for attainment challenge authorities.

I am proud to say that, although it is to some extent still a work in progress, curriculum for excellence has transformed learning experiences for children and young people across Scotland, and that was precisely the intention. It moves the focus from solely academic attainment, giving greater attention to the capacities that children need to make a success of their lives, with tailored experiences guided by the current and new generation of great teachers in this country so that children can fully achieve their potential.

Under CFE, young people can choose from a broader range of pathways than before. What matters is the qualifications that pupils leave school with. We have a forward-thinking, modern, flexible system, which treats every child as an individual.

The Scottish Government is getting on with the job of improving our education system so that it works for all. Perhaps it is time that, instead of talking down the achievements of teachers and pupils in Scotland, the Opposition parties celebrated them.

16:38  

In the same item of business

The Deputy Presiding Officer (Christine Grahame) SNP
The next item of business is a debate on motion S5M-19717, in the name of Liz Smith, on curriculum for excellence. 15:55
Liz Smith (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Con) Con
When the Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development produced its very important and comprehensive report on Scottish education in 2015, it priori...
The Deputy First Minister and Cabinet Secretary for Education and Skills (John Swinney) SNP
I wonder how Liz Smith would describe a 75 per cent higher pass rate? Does she not consider that to be a strong performance by the young people of Scotland?
Liz Smith Con
I think that Mr Swinney should listen to what his civil servants have been telling him about their concerns about the downturn in the highers pass rate. That...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
I call John Swinney to speak to and move amendment S5M-19717.1. I beg your pardon—I mean S5M-19717.2. You were about to move the Labour amendment, cabinet se...
The Deputy First Minister and Cabinet Secretary for Education and Skills (John Swinney) SNP
I would have been unable to move the dismal words of the Labour amendment. I will, however, move the amendment in my name, which you properly ascribed to me....
Liz Smith Con
Will the cabinet secretary give way?
John Swinney SNP
I will give way in a second. Let me first put some details on the record. The gap for those achieving at least one pass or more at level 5—such as national ...
Liz Smith Con
Professor Jim Scott’s analysis, which was published earlier this week, deals with the issue methodically—school by school and local authority by local author...
John Swinney SNP
I was coming to discussion of the analysis that Professor Scott issued this week, because Liz Smith’s motion refers to it, and she referred to it in her comm...
Daniel Johnson (Edinburgh Southern) (Lab) Lab
Will the cabinet secretary take an intervention?
John Swinney SNP
I will continue, if Mr Johnson will forgive me. Around a fifth of leavers left with a course award—for example, a national 2 award, an employability award, ...
Iain Gray (East Lothian) (Lab) Lab
I rise to support the motion and to speak to the far from dismal amendment in my name. I congratulate Liz Smith on bringing the debate to the chamber. In tr...
The Presiding Officer (Ken Macintosh) NPA
Could you conclude, please, Mr Gray?
Iain Gray Lab
It is critical that the review moves forward quickly. I move amendment SM5-19717.1, to insert after “delivery of CfE”: “recognises that such failures have ...
Ross Greer (West Scotland) (Green) Green
I thank Liz Smith for bringing the topic for debate. Like Iain Gray, I am frustrated that, once again, we are debating education during Opposition time alone...
Beatrice Wishart (Shetland Islands) (LD) LD
Here were are again—another Opposition-led debate on the state of Scotland’s education system. I thank the Conservatives for giving us the opportunity to deb...
Dr Alasdair Allan (Na h-Eileanan an Iar) (SNP) SNP
I appreciate that any individual teacher is entitled to their view, but the member says that she regards that as a “useful” contribution. Does she really thi...
Beatrice Wishart LD
As I said, I do not agree with the description, but I was coming on to make the point that it is useful to think of it in another way, which is that curricul...
Alison Harris (Central Scotland) (Con) Con
The motion is focused on the weaknesses in the delivery of the curriculum for excellence and the real effect that those are having on Scotland’s children. Th...
Clare Adamson (Motherwell and Wishaw) (SNP) SNP
Like many members, I took very seriously the Education and Skills Committee’s concerns when it undertook its inquiry into subject choice, but I do not think ...
Jenny Marra (North East Scotland) (Lab) Lab
Will the member give way?
Clare Adamson SNP
I think that I am out of time.
The Presiding Officer NPA
Yes, I am afraid that you are. 16:29
Daniel Johnson (Edinburgh Southern) (Lab) Lab
I will follow on from where the convener of the Education and Skills Committee left off. She is right that it is vital that we look at the curriculum for exc...
The Presiding Officer NPA
Please conclude, Mr Johnson.
Daniel Johnson Lab
We need to understand how we are achieving. We need to have confidence in the measurements that we have of our education system. 16:34
Rona Mackay (Strathkelvin and Bearsden) (SNP) SNP
I welcome this opportunity to discuss curriculum for excellence, and in particular the work that the Government is doing to close the attainment gap across S...
Liz Smith Con
Does the member agree with the work that Professor Jim Scott has published? He made painstaking efforts to ensure that the evidence that he produced was accu...
Rona Mackay SNP
I understand that Professor Scott carried out a great deal of detailed work. I cannot say for sure whether it is 100 per cent accurate. We can throw statisti...