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Chamber

Meeting of the Parliament 06 November 2019

06 Nov 2019 · S5 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Curriculum for Excellence
Swinney, John SNP Perthshire North Watch on SPTV

I will continue, if Mr Johnson will forgive me.

Around a fifth of leavers left with a course award—for example, a national 2 award, an employability award, or a modern languages for life and work award. A further two fifths achieved one unit assessment or more.

The reality is—Liz Smith referred to this in her contribution—that our young people are achieving a breadth of awards that give them the best chance of success in further learning, life and work. More than 54,000 skills-based qualifications were achieved in 2019—more than double the figure that was achieved in 2012, which was 24,849.

Let me be absolutely clear: no pupil in our education system should leave school without the knowledge, skills and attributes that they need. That is why we took the decisions to invest through the Scottish attainment challenge, the schools programme and pupil equity funding, to focus on ensuring that young people who face barriers to learning are supported to overcome those obstacles and to reach a positive outcome in their education.

It is vital that we have a broad discussion about such questions. That is why the Government is commissioning an independent review of the senior phase. I would like to say more about that review. Its purpose will be to explore further how curriculum for excellence is being implemented for young people in secondary 4 to S6 across the country, and to identify improvements that might be made.

In taking forward the review, I have sought assistance and leadership from outwith our education system, which is why we have asked the OECD to provide leadership. That follows on from what Liz Smith described as the

“very important and comprehensive report”

that in 2015 the OECD undertook on broad general education under curriculum for excellence.

It is important that our education sector is closely involved, because the OECD’s leadership of the review must be informed by the experiences of young people and practitioners in our education system. If we do not listen to the experiences of young people, we will fail them badly in the exercise.

In line with empowerment of the teaching profession, education practitioners will work alongside the OECD team. That work will be led by Tony McDade from South Lanarkshire Council—a local authority director of education who has been nominated by the Association of Directors of Education in Scotland.

The review will draw on the broadest possible range of evidence and data. One significant factor in that will be the Scottish Government’s senior phase headteachers survey, which provides factual information from a range of schools on a range of curricular models and rationales that demonstrates the impact of CFE.

We will work with our local and national partners to agree the final remit of the review, and we will provide an opportunity for the Education and Skills Committee to give its views on the content of the review.

The review is an important exercise in looking properly at all the evidence, not just one part of it, and it will address issues for the future of the senior phase in Scottish education.

I move amendment S5M-19717.2, to insert at end:

“by conducting the review supported by the Parliament on 1 May 2019, called for by the Education and Skills Committee in its cross-party report into the senior phase of Scottish education, which was published in September 2019, and previously committed to by the Scottish Government, and notes that the independent review will draw on evidence from education stakeholders and partners, including the latest data on young people’s progress through CfE and the outcomes they achieve when they leave school.”

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The Deputy Presiding Officer (Christine Grahame) SNP
The next item of business is a debate on motion S5M-19717, in the name of Liz Smith, on curriculum for excellence. 15:55
Liz Smith (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Con) Con
When the Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development produced its very important and comprehensive report on Scottish education in 2015, it priori...
The Deputy First Minister and Cabinet Secretary for Education and Skills (John Swinney) SNP
I wonder how Liz Smith would describe a 75 per cent higher pass rate? Does she not consider that to be a strong performance by the young people of Scotland?
Liz Smith Con
I think that Mr Swinney should listen to what his civil servants have been telling him about their concerns about the downturn in the highers pass rate. That...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
I call John Swinney to speak to and move amendment S5M-19717.1. I beg your pardon—I mean S5M-19717.2. You were about to move the Labour amendment, cabinet se...
The Deputy First Minister and Cabinet Secretary for Education and Skills (John Swinney) SNP
I would have been unable to move the dismal words of the Labour amendment. I will, however, move the amendment in my name, which you properly ascribed to me....
Liz Smith Con
Will the cabinet secretary give way?
John Swinney SNP
I will give way in a second. Let me first put some details on the record. The gap for those achieving at least one pass or more at level 5—such as national ...
Liz Smith Con
Professor Jim Scott’s analysis, which was published earlier this week, deals with the issue methodically—school by school and local authority by local author...
John Swinney SNP
I was coming to discussion of the analysis that Professor Scott issued this week, because Liz Smith’s motion refers to it, and she referred to it in her comm...
Daniel Johnson (Edinburgh Southern) (Lab) Lab
Will the cabinet secretary take an intervention?
John Swinney SNP
I will continue, if Mr Johnson will forgive me. Around a fifth of leavers left with a course award—for example, a national 2 award, an employability award, ...
Iain Gray (East Lothian) (Lab) Lab
I rise to support the motion and to speak to the far from dismal amendment in my name. I congratulate Liz Smith on bringing the debate to the chamber. In tr...
The Presiding Officer (Ken Macintosh) NPA
Could you conclude, please, Mr Gray?
Iain Gray Lab
It is critical that the review moves forward quickly. I move amendment SM5-19717.1, to insert after “delivery of CfE”: “recognises that such failures have ...
Ross Greer (West Scotland) (Green) Green
I thank Liz Smith for bringing the topic for debate. Like Iain Gray, I am frustrated that, once again, we are debating education during Opposition time alone...
Beatrice Wishart (Shetland Islands) (LD) LD
Here were are again—another Opposition-led debate on the state of Scotland’s education system. I thank the Conservatives for giving us the opportunity to deb...
Dr Alasdair Allan (Na h-Eileanan an Iar) (SNP) SNP
I appreciate that any individual teacher is entitled to their view, but the member says that she regards that as a “useful” contribution. Does she really thi...
Beatrice Wishart LD
As I said, I do not agree with the description, but I was coming on to make the point that it is useful to think of it in another way, which is that curricul...
Alison Harris (Central Scotland) (Con) Con
The motion is focused on the weaknesses in the delivery of the curriculum for excellence and the real effect that those are having on Scotland’s children. Th...
Clare Adamson (Motherwell and Wishaw) (SNP) SNP
Like many members, I took very seriously the Education and Skills Committee’s concerns when it undertook its inquiry into subject choice, but I do not think ...
Jenny Marra (North East Scotland) (Lab) Lab
Will the member give way?
Clare Adamson SNP
I think that I am out of time.
The Presiding Officer NPA
Yes, I am afraid that you are. 16:29
Daniel Johnson (Edinburgh Southern) (Lab) Lab
I will follow on from where the convener of the Education and Skills Committee left off. She is right that it is vital that we look at the curriculum for exc...
The Presiding Officer NPA
Please conclude, Mr Johnson.
Daniel Johnson Lab
We need to understand how we are achieving. We need to have confidence in the measurements that we have of our education system. 16:34
Rona Mackay (Strathkelvin and Bearsden) (SNP) SNP
I welcome this opportunity to discuss curriculum for excellence, and in particular the work that the Government is doing to close the attainment gap across S...
Liz Smith Con
Does the member agree with the work that Professor Jim Scott has published? He made painstaking efforts to ensure that the evidence that he produced was accu...
Rona Mackay SNP
I understand that Professor Scott carried out a great deal of detailed work. I cannot say for sure whether it is 100 per cent accurate. We can throw statisti...