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Chamber

Meeting of the Parliament 02 October 2019

02 Oct 2019 · S5 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
ScotRail Franchise
Smith, Elaine Lab Central Scotland Watch on SPTV

I point out to the chamber that I have a registered interest as a member of Unite the union and that I am contributing to the debate as the convener of the RMT parliamentary group. I welcome members of the RMT to the gallery.

I am also contributing to the debate because, along with many other MSPs and parliamentary staff, I want to be able to rely on our rail services. We all know that the travelling public are scunnered with our train services and the ever-increasing and more unaffordable costs. They cannot rely on trains to come on time, if at all; they do not know when they might see their stop rushing by as the train skips past it; and when they do manage to get on a train they can be jammed in like sardines.

The situation during the Edinburgh festival was simply shocking; not only were passengers uncomfortable, but the situation was dangerous. I was in Bangladesh last year and saw packed trains with passengers riding on top, which is a terrifying sight in a developing country. However, it was also terrifying to hear the first-hand accounts of friends and constituents of the crush to get on the trains during the weekend of Saturday 24 August. Frankly, it is a miracle that no one was seriously injured. That highlights the need for guards on our trains and staff on the platforms. Driver-only operated trains can become not only uncomfortably but dangerously overcrowded.

I emphasise that ScotRail’s failings are not the fault of its hard-working staff, whether they are administrative staff, drivers, ticket sellers, ticket collectors or guards. They, too, are suffering from Abellio’s failure, and they know it. No amount of spin by Abellio, telling its staff today that this debate is negative, changes that fact.

The RMT has advised ScotRail that it is in dispute over a wide range of issues, including the closure of ticket-sale windows in many travel centres, concerns raised by conductors about a reduction in safety briefings and ticket examiners being issued with machines that are not fit for purpose, causing work-related stress. At the same time, the highest-paid company director received an increase of £20,000, bringing their total salary to £305,000.

There is concern among Abellio’s staff that the company is running itself into the ground. The last available figures show that the company has been posting a loss while receiving increased grant subsidy from Transport Scotland. However, it makes sure that the Dutch state railway company is paid the interest that it is owed. In Scotland, our travelling public suffer and our taxpayers pay out while the Dutch state railway gains.

When will this farce finish? That is entirely up to the SNP Government. It could finish in 2022 with the break clause, which is in the contract for precisely this reason: when an operator is not performing, it is a chance to get rid of it and find a better option. We know that Abellio is not performing, because the First Minister said earlier this year that it is in the “last chance saloon”.

The question then arises as to which operator should replace Abellio. The Scottish Government used to be committed to a public sector bid but, as we have heard, the public sector bidder stakeholder reference group, which includes the trade unions, has not met at all this year. It should be meeting; it met under the previous cabinet secretary, and there should be no excuses.

Let us also look at the timescale for giving notice to end the franchise. Humza Yousaf said that the expiry date would be 30 September this year, but in July Michael Matheson told us that it would be in March 2020. However, that begs the question why the remedial period should end in May 2020, which makes no sense at all—unless the Scottish Government is simply going to allow the failing Abellio franchise to continue and the travelling public to continue to suffer from overcrowded trains and late, cancelled and costly services. Earlier this month, the Cabinet Secretary for Transport, Infrastructure and Connectivity said that on-going plans were in place for the provision of an operator of last resort. I ask him to say what those plans are and when they will be actioned.

Thankfully, our citizens do not have to travel on top of trains, but in a rich, developed country such as Scotland surely train travel should be cost effective, reliable and safe. The Scottish Government should remove Abellio, put people before profit and bring our rail services back into public ownership. I urge members to support Labour’s motion and reject the Scottish Government’s spin.

16:20  

In the same item of business

The Deputy Presiding Officer (Linda Fabiani) SNP
The next item of business is a debate on motion S5M-19190, in the name of Colin Smyth, on “Don’t Extend the ScotRail Franchise”. 15:50
Colin Smyth (South Scotland) (Lab) Lab
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John Mason (Glasgow Shettleston) (SNP) SNP
Could the member can explain how there can be one Great Britain-wide company that would be controlled in Scotland?
Colin Smyth Lab
Mr Mason clearly does not understand how rail services actually work. The services that are delivered on the ScotRail network would continue to be devolved t...
The Cabinet Secretary for Transport, Infrastructure and Connectivity (Michael Matheson) SNP
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Neil Findlay (Lothian) (Lab) Lab
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Michael Matheson SNP
As part of the franchise, the company must be financially able to achieve that; otherwise, it will be in breach of the whole contract. It would be wrong for...
Jamie Greene (West Scotland) (Con) Con
The debate is already getting lively—I am quite enjoying it. I will get straight to the point, as I have only a few minutes. The Conservatives will not be su...
John Finnie (Highlands and Islands) (Green) Green
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Michael Matheson SNP
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John Finnie Green
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Mike Rumbles (North East Scotland) (LD) LD
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Jamie Greene Con
Will the member take an intervention?
Mike Rumbles LD
Unfortunately, I do not have time. The Liberal Democrats cannot support the Government’s amendment, because it seems, yet again, to say what the Government ...
The Presiding Officer (Ken Macintosh) NPA
We now move to the open part of the debate. 16:15
Elaine Smith (Central Scotland) (Lab) Lab
I point out to the chamber that I have a registered interest as a member of Unite the union and that I am contributing to the debate as the convener of the R...
John Mason (Glasgow Shettleston) (SNP) SNP
I am pleased to take part in the debate on rail. As members will know, I am enthusiastic about train travel and, with Pauline McNeill, convene the cross-part...
Neil Findlay Lab
Will the member take an intervention?
John Mason SNP
No, thank you. In recent years, I have visited a number of European cities, where I have always used the local trains and metro networks. I would argue that...
John Finnie Green
Does John Mason recognise that that publicly operated bus service turned around a failing commercial operation in East Lothian?
John Mason SNP
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Liam Kerr (North East Scotland) (Con) Con
Like a stopped clock, even Colin Smyth is right occasionally, and his highlighting of the huge frustration that commuters, tourists and businesses feel when ...
Neil Findlay Lab
Will the member take an intervention?
Liam Kerr Con
I will not, as I am in my last 30 seconds. Instead of wasting time debating break clauses and models of franchise ownership, let us focus on the positive in...
Joan McAlpine (South Scotland) (SNP) SNP
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Neil Bibby (West Scotland) (Lab) Lab
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Rachael Hamilton (Ettrick, Roxburgh and Berwickshire) (Con) Con
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Neil Findlay Lab
Will the member take an intervention?
Rachael Hamilton Con
Very quickly.
The Presiding Officer (Ken Macintosh) NPA
Neil Findlay should be very brief, because Rachael Hamilton is in her last minute.