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Chamber

Meeting of the Parliament 02 October 2019

02 Oct 2019 · S5 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
ScotRail Franchise
Finnie, John Green Highlands and Islands Watch on SPTV

I have a number of declarations to make. I am a member of the RMT parliamentary group, a vice-president of the Friends of the Far North Line and a regular rail user; I want Scotland’s railway to be a success; and I do not support the franchising system—as we know from the east coast railway, significant profits of £800 million have gone to the UK Exchequer.

The Scottish Greens will support the Labour motion at decision time, and we support rail unions.

As a regular rail user, I have experienced the frustrations that others have experienced, but I want to introduce some balance to the debate. As elected politicians, our job is to scrutinise, but also to promote, and I would not want any of what is said today to be viewed as discourteous or as not recognising the valuable contribution of rail staff at all levels.

In the past, much of the debate has been fairly ill informed. I was part of the Rural Economy and Connectivity Committee delegation that visited the Network Rail and ScotRail control centre in Glasgow recently, where we sat in a room with the rail network displayed on a screen behind us. It was significant to see and have explained to us the implications of three delays and the effects that they had. One was on the east coast—with an impact on the Fife circle line in particular, given its different train speeds; another was a delayed departure from Edinburgh; and another was in the west. The significant factor, which my REC Committee colleagues will confirm, is that each of the trains involved was a cross-border train rather than a ScotRail train. However, ScotRail passengers will have felt the effects regardless.

Things such as the landslide on the west Highland line—great work has gone on there—are about monitoring. If we remove the franchise, those things will not change.

We have a briefing from Abellio—Mr Greene loyally read it out, so I will not repeat it—that talks about meeting the demand for better public transport. I do not know whether Abellio has met that demand, but the public are not interested in performance figures; they want to know that their train will turn up on time and that it will be clean.

Abellio talks about reducing carbon at the same time as passenger numbers have doubled, but 40-year-old diesel trains that deposit human excrement on the track do not set a good example.

Abellio also talks about the biggest investment since the Victorian era, but the journey times between Inverness and the central belt are the same as they were during the Victorian era.

Further, I am told that Abellio has had 42 directors and seven human resources directors and that it requires staff to work on their rest days.

The Scottish Government’s amendment says:

“the Scottish Government has already started the careful and necessary assessment specified in the franchise contract to determine the ScotRail contract end date”.

As a member of the public sector bidder stakeholder reference group—perhaps the cabinet secretary remembers it—I might have known that already. However, I did not know that, because the group has not met this year and we have not had an update. Where are we with CalMac Ferries, for instance?

In the same item of business

The Deputy Presiding Officer (Linda Fabiani) SNP
The next item of business is a debate on motion S5M-19190, in the name of Colin Smyth, on “Don’t Extend the ScotRail Franchise”. 15:50
Colin Smyth (South Scotland) (Lab) Lab
It is decision time for the Scottish Government. It is time for the Government to decide whether to reward failure by extending the current Abellio ScotRail ...
John Mason (Glasgow Shettleston) (SNP) SNP
Could the member can explain how there can be one Great Britain-wide company that would be controlled in Scotland?
Colin Smyth Lab
Mr Mason clearly does not understand how rail services actually work. The services that are delivered on the ScotRail network would continue to be devolved t...
The Cabinet Secretary for Transport, Infrastructure and Connectivity (Michael Matheson) SNP
Rail plays an essential role in the daily fabric of Scottish life, connecting communities, enabling opportunities and supporting economic prosperity. The G...
Neil Findlay (Lothian) (Lab) Lab
I have a very particular question to ask the cabinet secretary. Is the cabinet secretary 100 per cent confident that Abellio will meet its commitment to pay ...
Michael Matheson SNP
As part of the franchise, the company must be financially able to achieve that; otherwise, it will be in breach of the whole contract. It would be wrong for...
Jamie Greene (West Scotland) (Con) Con
The debate is already getting lively—I am quite enjoying it. I will get straight to the point, as I have only a few minutes. The Conservatives will not be su...
John Finnie (Highlands and Islands) (Green) Green
I have a number of declarations to make. I am a member of the RMT parliamentary group, a vice-president of the Friends of the Far North Line and a regular ra...
Michael Matheson SNP
As I made clear, that group will meet again when we know the outcome of the Williams review and its implications for future structures. John Finnie should re...
John Finnie Green
I had hoped to get an update on where we are with CalMac Ferries. The group was launched with great gusto by the cabinet secretary’s predecessor, Humza Yousa...
Mike Rumbles (North East Scotland) (LD) LD
Since Abellio started running our trains, cancellations have increased year by year, skip-stopping has become part of everyday expectations, the punctuality ...
Jamie Greene Con
Will the member take an intervention?
Mike Rumbles LD
Unfortunately, I do not have time. The Liberal Democrats cannot support the Government’s amendment, because it seems, yet again, to say what the Government ...
The Presiding Officer (Ken Macintosh) NPA
We now move to the open part of the debate. 16:15
Elaine Smith (Central Scotland) (Lab) Lab
I point out to the chamber that I have a registered interest as a member of Unite the union and that I am contributing to the debate as the convener of the R...
John Mason (Glasgow Shettleston) (SNP) SNP
I am pleased to take part in the debate on rail. As members will know, I am enthusiastic about train travel and, with Pauline McNeill, convene the cross-part...
Neil Findlay Lab
Will the member take an intervention?
John Mason SNP
No, thank you. In recent years, I have visited a number of European cities, where I have always used the local trains and metro networks. I would argue that...
John Finnie Green
Does John Mason recognise that that publicly operated bus service turned around a failing commercial operation in East Lothian?
John Mason SNP
Yes, I am happy to recognise that. We must also consider cost. We currently subsidise the railway to the tune of some two thirds, so if I buy a ticket for £...
Liam Kerr (North East Scotland) (Con) Con
Like a stopped clock, even Colin Smyth is right occasionally, and his highlighting of the huge frustration that commuters, tourists and businesses feel when ...
Neil Findlay Lab
Will the member take an intervention?
Liam Kerr Con
I will not, as I am in my last 30 seconds. Instead of wasting time debating break clauses and models of franchise ownership, let us focus on the positive in...
Joan McAlpine (South Scotland) (SNP) SNP
The current rail service delivery model is flawed, like a great many matters that are still under Westminster control. As we have heard, Network Rail is resp...
Neil Bibby (West Scotland) (Lab) Lab
It is customary at the outset of speeches for us to thank those who have taken the time to supply briefings to members ahead of debates. I thank the rail uni...
Rachael Hamilton (Ettrick, Roxburgh and Berwickshire) (Con) Con
We all know that the performance of the service on Scotland’s railways is far from satisfactory. Delays, cancellations and mismanagement have led to commuter...
Neil Findlay Lab
Will the member take an intervention?
Rachael Hamilton Con
Very quickly.
The Presiding Officer (Ken Macintosh) NPA
Neil Findlay should be very brief, because Rachael Hamilton is in her last minute.