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Chamber

Meeting of the Parliament 02 October 2019

02 Oct 2019 · S5 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Nursery Funding (Deferred Entry to Primary School)
Gilruth, Jenny SNP Mid Fife and Glenrothes Watch on SPTV

I pay tribute to my friend and colleague Fulton MacGregor, who first brought the matter of the Give Them Time campaign to the chamber in May this year in a members’ business debate. I also thank the members of the campaign for all their tenacious work on the issue, and Iain Gray, for lodging the motion for debate today.

As has been said, the Give Them Time campaign advocates for

“a more transparent, consistent and child-centred approach to”

nursery funding for deferred school starts across Scotland.

GIRFEC, which underpins our education system in Scotland, is rooted in a child-centred approach. Therefore, the aspirations of the Give Them Time campaign are, from the outset, in line with our current educational landscape. The Give Them Time campaign is focused on giving parents, or a legal guardian, the right to defer the start of their four-year-old’s school education. As the Labour Party’s motion states:

“under the Education (Scotland) Act 1980, parents have the legal right to defer their child’s entry to primary education if they are not five years old by the commencement of the school year”.

The year 1980 was a different time, or so I am told. In Scottish classrooms, the belt was still in use. I remember a former boss telling me how, as a young teacher, she was taught how to belt, with the headteacher lining up staff and encouraging them to practise on a desk. It is, therefore, important to reflect on how much has changed in Scotland since the 1980 act. The Give Them Time campaign is rooted in giving parents a greater say about their child’s school readiness, and empowering parents is central to the Scottish Government’s ambitions around closing the poverty-related attainment gap.

Joanna Murphy, who is the chair of the National Parent Forum of Scotland, said:

“Parents should know their rights so they can decide what is best for their individual child. We believe the same opportunities for extra nursery funding should be available to every family across Scotland and not be dependent on postcode.”

As I said, empowering parents is essential to the Government’s ambitions around the poverty-related attainment gap, and as Liz Smith mentioned, only 19 per cent of parents already know that they have a legal right to deferral for children with September to December birthdays, compared to the more than 80 per cent of parents who know about their right to defer entry if their child was born in January or February.

To deal with the knowledge gap that Liz Smith mentioned, local authorities need to communicate effectively with parents and carers about their rights, but there is perhaps a role for central Government to support that work at the national level. Labour’s motion demands action from the Scottish Government and, as the minister has confirmed, that action will be taken. I am sure that Labour members will agree that it has to be done in a spirit of co-operation, and as the Government amendment makes clear,

“following proper assessment of the resource implications, and in partnership with parents and the sector.”

Therein lies the rub because, as we have heard, although parents can legally choose to defer their child’s school entry if they are not five at the start of the school year, they will not automatically qualify for funded early learning and childcare. That is a matter for each individual local authority, as it rightly should be if we are to adhere to the spirit of localism.

It was reported this morning that, thanks to the Scottish Government, more than 46,000 children across Scotland are already benefiting from extra hours of high-quality early learning and childcare. The main aims of the expansion are threefold: first, to improve children’s outcomes and help close the poverty-related attainment gap; secondly, to increase family resilience through improved health and wellbeing of children and parents; and, thirdly, to support parents into work, study or training. Quality early learning and childcare is crucial for all children.

Ross Greer mentioned play-based learning. A couple of weeks ago, I was in Warout primary school in Glenrothes and met the primary 1 class, who were learning all about being in the police. On opening the door, I was surrounded by tiny four and five-year-olds. Lots of them wanted to hug me and some took me by the hand, which was a surreal experience for a former secondary teacher. The entire classroom is set up to enable play-based learning. The rows of desks that I would have learned at in 1989 are gone and the blackboard is a distant memory. The headteacher explained to me the importance of giving structured time to play and said that it is integral to the development of her pupils, many of whom might not get the opportunity to play at home.

Our education system has moved on from the Education (Scotland) Act 1980. We now have a national curriculum that puts the learner at its heart. In supporting the Give Them Time campaign today, we are acknowledging the importance of parents’ knowledge of when their child is ready to begin school.

15:21  

In the same item of business

The Deputy Presiding Officer (Christine Grahame) SNP
The next item of business is a debate on motion S5M-19193, in the name of Iain Gray, on the Give Them Time campaign. I will let members take their seats as e...
Iain Gray (East Lothian) (Lab) Lab
I am very pleased to move the motion in order to correct a legal anomaly that creates real problems for families across Scotland. I begin by paying tribute ...
The Minister for Children and Young People (Maree Todd) SNP
I am glad to have a further opportunity to discuss school deferral, following my recent appearance at the Education and Skills Committee where I made it clea...
Daniel Johnson (Edinburgh Southern) (Lab) Lab
I am grateful to the minister for giving way. Does she accept that, as things stand, the flexibility that she mentions is flexible only for those parents who...
Maree Todd SNP
I would not agree with that. Interruption. I will continue, if the member will allow me to do so. As members know, when parents choose to defer the start of ...
Neil Findlay (Lothian) (Lab) Lab
Will the minister do Daniel Johnson the courtesy of answering his question?
Maree Todd SNP
I just answered it. I will answer it more fully if I am allowed to progress. It is a real strength of our system that Scotland has a fully integrated three ...
Iain Gray Lab
Will Maree Todd take an intervention?
Maree Todd SNP
I am in my final minute.
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
Time has been built in for interventions, but it is for members to decide whether to take them.
Maree Todd SNP
I will finish. We will continue to work with parents, practitioners and their representatives to support parents and carers to make an informed decision for...
Oliver Mundell (Dumfriesshire) (Con) Con
I am pleased to open the debate on behalf of the Scottish Conservatives and confirm our support for the Labour motion. I thank lain Gray for providing the P...
Ross Greer (West Scotland) (Green) Green
I thank lain Gray for bringing this issue to Parliament today. The age at which children in Scotland start school directly impacts on how ready they are to ...
Beatrice Wishart (Shetland Islands) (LD) LD
I thank Labour for the debate and pay tribute to the impressive campaign run by Give Them Time, which has already made a real difference for many of our cons...
The Deputy Presiding Officer (Linda Fabiani) SNP
We move to the open debate and speeches of four minutes. Some members have not pressed their request-to-speak buttons yet, although I suspect that they are r...
Daniel Johnson (Edinburgh Southern) (Lab) Lab
I am pleased to speak in the debate in support of the Give Them Time campaign, because the simple reality is this: the moment when they send their five-year-...
Maree Todd SNP
Will the member take an intervention?
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
The member is just closing.
Daniel Johnson Lab
Parents should be afforded such decisions now—not once the Government has had further discussions. 15:08
Fulton MacGregor (Coatbridge and Chryston) (SNP) SNP
I, too, thank Iain Gray for using his time to discuss the issue, which I have taken up over the past eight to 10 months. However, as other members have said,...
Liz Smith (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Con) Con
I thank Iain Gray for bringing this debate to the chamber in Labour Party time. I also pay tribute to Fulton MacGregor, not just for his remarks in the debat...
Jenny Gilruth (Mid Fife and Glenrothes) (SNP) SNP
I pay tribute to my friend and colleague Fulton MacGregor, who first brought the matter of the Give Them Time campaign to the chamber in May this year in a m...
Claire Baker (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Lab) Lab
This is not the first time that the Parliament has debated the aims of the Give Them Time campaign, but it is the first time that we will have a vote on the ...
Brian Whittle (South Scotland) (Con) Con
I, too, thank Iain Gray for giving us the opportunity to debate this crucial issue in the chamber once again. Under the Education (Scotland) Act 1980, as we ...
Clare Adamson (Motherwell and Wishaw) (SNP) SNP
I, too, commend my colleague Fulton McGregor. I attended but did not speak in the debate in May. That was when I first really understood the scope and scale ...
Alison Harris (Central Scotland) (Con) Con
I thank Iain Gray for bringing the debate to the chamber, and I pay tribute to Fulton MacGregor. I also want to commend speeches by members from across the c...
Maree Todd SNP
I thank everyone who has spoken in this debate. I know that many members will be familiar with issues relating to the policy that we are discussing, and migh...
Iain Gray Lab
The motion is explicit that the legislation should change in this parliamentary session. Will the minister give that commitment?
Maree Todd SNP
As I have said, I will talk to local government partners and will update Parliament on that in due course. We all agree that parents and carers should be su...
Oliver Mundell Con
If the minister is not able to commit to legislation in this parliamentary session, will she commit today to putting interim arrangements in place to make su...