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Meeting of the Parliament 17 September 2019

17 Sep 2019 · S5 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Credit Unions
Watt, Maureen SNP Aberdeen South and North Kincardine Watch on SPTV

I am pleased to take part in this debate, as we can never highlight enough the importance of credit unions to our communities. More than 410,000 people are served by credit unions, but I am sure that the potential customer base is much higher than that. As others have said, it is really important that knowledge of the existence of credit unions is embedded in our schools and that saving is started in primary schools and continued in secondary schools.

In my research for the debate, I was interested to read that 6.9 per cent of the Scottish population are enrolled in a credit union compared with only 1.5 per cent in England and 2 per cent in Wales. I think that that is a testament to the backing and promotion that credit unions get from the Scottish Government. Like Pauline McNeill, I looked enviously at the level of participation in Ireland, which is 70 per cent. We have a bit of a way to go.

In my opinion, banks and credit unions should be seen not as operating in competition with each other but as co-operating to offer a better service to customers, especially those in our poorer communities. That is happening with Lloyds Banking Group’s credit union development fund. In 2014, Lloyds Banking Group launched a fund of £4 million over four years to help credit unions to strengthen their financial position and enable them to grow sustainably, build resilience and help many more people in the long term.

To date, the Lloyds Bank Foundation has supported credit unions with more than £6 million UK-wide. I am not sure how much of that support has come to Scotland but, as well as financial assistance, its support includes signposting customers to credit unions; sharing expertise, with a number of bank colleagues volunteering in credit unions; and the secondment of two full-time colleagues to work with the Department for Work and Pensions credit union expansion project.

In Scotland, the Scottish Government has match funded the Carnegie UK Trust’s investment of £1 million in the affordable credit fund to allow individuals with low incomes and poor credit ratings to access finance.

That is all good news, as credit unions tend to be much less scary than banks. Their offices are usually in our communities and they are often run by people whom their customers know. It is also important that credit unions are embedded in the networks of support and financial advice in our communities, with signposting to other financial and budgeting advice and crisis services such as food banks, if necessary.

When we talk about credit unions in the Parliament, we tend to focus on the saving part, but it is important that those who save also consider borrowing from their credit union. As well as savers, credit unions need borrowers, because that is what keeps them in business—I think that Johann Lamont mentioned that. One reason why the North East Scotland Credit Union—the credit union in which I saved for many years—folded last year was that not enough borrowers with good credit ratings were borrowing from it. It was asset rich, but there was not enough lending business to keep it going.

There is much unanimity on the subject in the chamber and much support for the work that the Scottish Government is doing in the realm of credit unions, so more power to the cabinet secretary’s elbow.

In the same item of business

The Presiding Officer (Ken Macintosh) NPA
The next item of business is a debate on motion S5M-18884, in the name of Aileen Campbell, on investing in our credit unions. I call Aileen Campbell to speak...
The Cabinet Secretary for Communities and Local Government (Aileen Campbell) SNP
There are always junctures in life that demand we pay close attention to our finances, such as paying the bills for the summer holidays, school uniforms, and...
Liam McArthur (Orkney Islands) (LD) LD
I welcome the fund. Can the cabinet secretary give a commitment that the Government will look at the lower levels of engagement with credit unions in more ru...
Aileen Campbell SNP
Absolutely. We will take on board any views and opinions from across the chamber on what the strategy should include. We will engage with the more rural cred...
Pauline McNeill (Glasgow) (Lab) Lab
I point-blank refuse to think about Christmas while it is still September, but I agree with the cabinet secretary that, for many families, Christmas is a dif...
Ruth Maguire (Cunninghame South) (SNP) SNP
I asked the Scottish Parliamentary Corporate Body whether it would consider extending the number of credit unions with which parliamentary staff, MSP staff a...
Pauline McNeill Lab
I agree 100 per cent with Ruth Maguire’s point. Not only can we set an example, but payroll deduction is a good thing and, where it is possible, it should be...
Michelle Ballantyne (South Scotland) (Con) Con
It is a pleasure to open the debate for my party. The cabinet secretary is right to say that it is a shared vision. In our manifesto, we said that we would...
Andy Wightman (Lothian) (Green) Green
I thank the cabinet secretary for bringing this debate to the chamber. Scottish Greens, too, were elected on a manifesto to champion not only credit unions...
Liam McArthur (Orkney Islands) (LD) LD
Like others, I welcome the debate, which is on a subject that the Parliament has a good track record on and returns to regularly. I confirm the Scottish Libe...
The Deputy Presiding Officer (Christine Grahame) SNP
Speeches should last a tight four minutes. There is no time in hand. 15:01
Ruth Maguire (Cunninghame South) (SNP) SNP
I welcome the Government’s commitment to seeing the credit union sector grow and thrive. I also welcome the cross-party support in Parliament for credit unio...
Jeremy Balfour (Lothian) (Con) Con
I will start by saying to Pauline McNeill that Christmas has started, because my daughters are designing their Christmas cards at school today. I will make s...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
Thankfully, you did not offend me, Mr Balfour. That was a good idea. 15:08
Angela Constance (Almond Valley) (SNP) SNP
I start by thanking the cabinet secretary. She will recall that on the previous occasion in the chamber on which we celebrated the contribution that credit u...
Johann Lamont (Glasgow) (Lab) Lab
I declare interests as a member of the Scottish Co-operative Party, as a Labour and Co-operative MSP and as a member of a credit union. The Scottish Labour P...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
I call Tom Mason, to be followed by Tom Arthur. Interruption. I beg your pardon—I got my Toms muddled up. You can sit down, Mr Mason—it is my fault, not your...
Tom Arthur (Renfrewshire South) (SNP) SNP
I am grateful for the opportunity to take part in an excellent debate that is full of ideas from all sides of the chamber. I thank the Government for the deb...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
I call Tom Mason. My apologies for calling you in error earlier, Mr Mason. 15:21
Tom Mason (North East Scotland) (Con) Con
I am glad that there appears to be broad consensus on the benefits that credit unions can bring to people across the country in providing accessible finance ...
Maureen Watt (Aberdeen South and North Kincardine) (SNP) SNP
I am pleased to take part in this debate, as we can never highlight enough the importance of credit unions to our communities. More than 410,000 people are s...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
We move on to the closing speeches. I call James Kelly to close for Labour. You have four minutes, Mr Kelly. 15:29
James Kelly (Glasgow) (Lab) Lab
It has been a good and consensual debate. As a number of members have said, it is key that we take the central points from the debate that will help with the...
Brian Whittle (South Scotland) (Con) Con
As has been said, the debate has been very consensual, which is not always the case. We have heard from members across the chamber that a credit union is a n...
Aileen Campbell SNP
As members who have spoken in the debate have said, this has been a thorough and good debate. I agree with Pauline McNeill that it should not be a cuddly deb...
Pauline McNeill Lab
On the issue of payroll deduction, I do not think that anyone has mentioned the fact that the national health service has a credit union. I do not know wheth...
Aileen Campbell SNP
I absolutely agree with the point that Pauline McNeill makes about encouraging credit unions in the public sector. The Scottish Government does that, and I k...
Liam McArthur LD
I thank the cabinet secretary for being the first member to namecheck my youngest son, Tom McArthur. Laughter. A number of members asked whether the corp...
Aileen Campbell SNP
That is why our approach needs to be about more than just working with the credit unions. As Andy Wightman pointed out, we need that broader approach and we ...