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Chamber

Meeting of the Parliament 17 September 2019

17 Sep 2019 · S5 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Credit Unions

I declare interests as a member of the Scottish Co-operative Party, as a Labour and Co-operative MSP and as a member of a credit union. The Scottish Labour Party and the Scottish Co-operative Party maintain a commitment to developing the role of credit unions and co-operatives, which they believe should be at the centre of community development and economic strategy.

As we have seen, it is easy to find warm words with which to support credit unions; we have all experienced their effectiveness in our communities. They are created and sustained by the vision and inspiration of volunteers, and their approach is in the sharpest contrast to the predatory practices of payday loan companies and shops that sell household goods at exorbitant prices—companies whose business model is actively to seek out the poorest and most vulnerable people in our communities. Credit unions have a powerful role in offering a different business model that works for everyone.

I recall that, when I was a Government minister a long time ago, a bit of research was done into credit union membership. It transpired, counterintuitively, that their members tended to be better-off people, with better incomes. Therefore, I ask the cabinet secretary to refresh the research, particularly in the light of what was has been said about the junior savers model. If the model is working, do we know whether it is working in the most vulnerable communities or is it working among families who perhaps are better informed about financial education?

We debated many of those issues in January this year; I would welcome an update, specifically on the practical things that the Scottish Government has done—as well as today’s announcement—to promote and support the ABCUL Scottish charter “A Credit Union Nation”. What has been done to address concerns of credit unions that I have highlighted about the impact of inappropriate use of protected trust deeds? They impact on credit union business, while making sure that the insolvency practitioner is paid.

We recognise the power of credit unions and I welcome the £10 million credit union investment fund. We now need the details about making the change that we seek. How will the money be allocated? What is the timescale for spending the money and repaying loans? Is it a one-off commitment or a recurring part of the Government’s budget?

Given the benefits that can be achieved by credit unions, which we all agree about, why is the funding in the form of a loan? I welcome what has been done, but were other models considered? We see the economic incentives that are given to the private sector to come into communities, so I wonder whether the Government would be prepared to consider the matter further. Will there be legislative or regulatory changes to support the investment? Will the Scottish Government consider means to exempt credit unions from business rates in order to ensure their greater visibility and to sustain town centres? Has the Government explored how credit unions might connect to Scottish welfare fund strategy? There could be a very good fit.

I emphasise that co-operative economic models offer huge opportunities for a stronger and fairer economy: I am sure that many members across the chamber agree. Such models are often not taught in our schools, colleges and universities, so it is important that we mainstream education about co-operative models for the economy in our education system, if the Scottish Government is willing to support that approach. The strength of the credit union and co-operative movements is that they bring together vision and the practical delivery of such ideas.

I thank the Scottish Government for what it is doing, and would be grateful if it could ensure that the practical ways in which its work is taken forward make the difference that we all seek for our communities.

In the same item of business

The Presiding Officer (Ken Macintosh) NPA
The next item of business is a debate on motion S5M-18884, in the name of Aileen Campbell, on investing in our credit unions. I call Aileen Campbell to speak...
The Cabinet Secretary for Communities and Local Government (Aileen Campbell) SNP
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Liam McArthur (Orkney Islands) (LD) LD
I welcome the fund. Can the cabinet secretary give a commitment that the Government will look at the lower levels of engagement with credit unions in more ru...
Aileen Campbell SNP
Absolutely. We will take on board any views and opinions from across the chamber on what the strategy should include. We will engage with the more rural cred...
Pauline McNeill (Glasgow) (Lab) Lab
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Ruth Maguire (Cunninghame South) (SNP) SNP
I asked the Scottish Parliamentary Corporate Body whether it would consider extending the number of credit unions with which parliamentary staff, MSP staff a...
Pauline McNeill Lab
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Michelle Ballantyne (South Scotland) (Con) Con
It is a pleasure to open the debate for my party. The cabinet secretary is right to say that it is a shared vision. In our manifesto, we said that we would...
Andy Wightman (Lothian) (Green) Green
I thank the cabinet secretary for bringing this debate to the chamber. Scottish Greens, too, were elected on a manifesto to champion not only credit unions...
Liam McArthur (Orkney Islands) (LD) LD
Like others, I welcome the debate, which is on a subject that the Parliament has a good track record on and returns to regularly. I confirm the Scottish Libe...
The Deputy Presiding Officer (Christine Grahame) SNP
Speeches should last a tight four minutes. There is no time in hand. 15:01
Ruth Maguire (Cunninghame South) (SNP) SNP
I welcome the Government’s commitment to seeing the credit union sector grow and thrive. I also welcome the cross-party support in Parliament for credit unio...
Jeremy Balfour (Lothian) (Con) Con
I will start by saying to Pauline McNeill that Christmas has started, because my daughters are designing their Christmas cards at school today. I will make s...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
Thankfully, you did not offend me, Mr Balfour. That was a good idea. 15:08
Angela Constance (Almond Valley) (SNP) SNP
I start by thanking the cabinet secretary. She will recall that on the previous occasion in the chamber on which we celebrated the contribution that credit u...
Johann Lamont (Glasgow) (Lab) Lab
I declare interests as a member of the Scottish Co-operative Party, as a Labour and Co-operative MSP and as a member of a credit union. The Scottish Labour P...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
I call Tom Mason, to be followed by Tom Arthur. Interruption. I beg your pardon—I got my Toms muddled up. You can sit down, Mr Mason—it is my fault, not your...
Tom Arthur (Renfrewshire South) (SNP) SNP
I am grateful for the opportunity to take part in an excellent debate that is full of ideas from all sides of the chamber. I thank the Government for the deb...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
I call Tom Mason. My apologies for calling you in error earlier, Mr Mason. 15:21
Tom Mason (North East Scotland) (Con) Con
I am glad that there appears to be broad consensus on the benefits that credit unions can bring to people across the country in providing accessible finance ...
Maureen Watt (Aberdeen South and North Kincardine) (SNP) SNP
I am pleased to take part in this debate, as we can never highlight enough the importance of credit unions to our communities. More than 410,000 people are s...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
We move on to the closing speeches. I call James Kelly to close for Labour. You have four minutes, Mr Kelly. 15:29
James Kelly (Glasgow) (Lab) Lab
It has been a good and consensual debate. As a number of members have said, it is key that we take the central points from the debate that will help with the...
Brian Whittle (South Scotland) (Con) Con
As has been said, the debate has been very consensual, which is not always the case. We have heard from members across the chamber that a credit union is a n...
Aileen Campbell SNP
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Pauline McNeill Lab
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Aileen Campbell SNP
I absolutely agree with the point that Pauline McNeill makes about encouraging credit unions in the public sector. The Scottish Government does that, and I k...
Liam McArthur LD
I thank the cabinet secretary for being the first member to namecheck my youngest son, Tom McArthur. Laughter. A number of members asked whether the corp...
Aileen Campbell SNP
That is why our approach needs to be about more than just working with the credit unions. As Andy Wightman pointed out, we need that broader approach and we ...