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Meeting of the Parliament 17 September 2019

17 Sep 2019 · S5 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Credit Unions

Like others, I welcome the debate, which is on a subject that the Parliament has a good track record on and returns to regularly. I confirm the Scottish Liberal Democrats’ strong support for the cabinet secretary’s proposals.

As I have done in previous debates, I declare an interest as a member of the HI-Scot Credit Union, which operates across the Highlands and Islands, and is almost certainly an enterprise with which the cabinet secretary has had discussions recently. My savings are not central to keeping HI-Scot afloat, but it is good to see that the credit union is making a positive contribution to communities across the region, progressing from its beginnings in the Western Isles. In my constituency, HI-Scot works closely with Orkney Housing Association and Voluntary Action Orkney, which epitomises the sort of partnership that is key to the success and sustainability of such operations in remote rural and island areas.

Although membership across Scotland is up to 430,000 or so, membership in the Highlands and Islands is a modest 3,200, which suggests that there is room for growth. I hope that the credit union investment fund and the Government’s developing strategy will allow specific attention to be given to ways in which the benefits of credit unions can be opened up to more individuals, households and communities across our rural and island areas. HI-Scot Credit Union shares that view.

Those benefits are not in question. As others have said, credit unions encourage a savings culture, provide affordable loans and, as the motion suggests, provide protection “from predatory lenders”. Credit unions are also based on the principle of a common bond—a shared connection within a community. They are about people helping people, whether it is the smaller volunteer-run unions with hundreds of members or the larger unions with paid staff and premises.

Perhaps contrary to the common perception, credit unions are not just for people who are in poverty. Michelle Ballantyne and Pauline McNeill were quite right to remind us that they are for all people in all communities. The investment fund can look at reinforcing that point.

Credit unions help to build resilience, improve financial capability and nurture cohesion within communities. Those are all desirable qualities at the best of times, but during a period of economic turmoil such as we have seen over the past decade, their importance increases many times over.

In Scotland, credit unions have proved more popular than almost anywhere else, so I welcome the proposals for an investment fund that were included in the programme for government. With about 100 credit unions in Scotland, more than 400,000 members, more than £0.5 billion in assets and loans approaching £300 million, there is real strength in the sector, as well as an appetite and capacity to grow.

One area for development—this issue was touched on in earlier debates and again today by Pauline McNeill, Ruth Maguire and others—is the scope for more action on payroll deduction. That is a great way of enabling people to save regularly and, where necessary, manage loan repayments effectively. There does not seem to be any good reason why that is not a standard workplace benefit.

To be fair, some employers do offer it, but they are very much in a minority. Even where it is available, it is often the case that little is done to promote take-up among staff. I would welcome details from the minister on the progress that is being made in that area, and the aspirations for it.

If nothing else, emphasising that it is a simple process for which, by and large, credit unions take on the administration has to be appealing to employers, who can be assured that there is no risk to them regarding loan repayments. Meanwhile, their staff can access credit and repay loans in affordable instalments.

As I said in the previous debate, there seems to be an obvious opportunity to link the work on promoting the living wage more closely to efforts encouraging employers to sign up to payroll deduction arrangements with credit unions and to identify individuals in those companies who can act as credit union champions to encourage take-up.

I welcome the debate and the progress that we are making in expanding the reach that credit unions have in Scotland. I hope that, by the time that we next debate the issue, their popularity, particularly in rural and island areas, and the use of payroll deductions will have increased. For now, I confirm that the Scottish Liberal Democrats will be supporting the motion and the amendment.

In the same item of business

The Presiding Officer (Ken Macintosh) NPA
The next item of business is a debate on motion S5M-18884, in the name of Aileen Campbell, on investing in our credit unions. I call Aileen Campbell to speak...
The Cabinet Secretary for Communities and Local Government (Aileen Campbell) SNP
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Liam McArthur (Orkney Islands) (LD) LD
I welcome the fund. Can the cabinet secretary give a commitment that the Government will look at the lower levels of engagement with credit unions in more ru...
Aileen Campbell SNP
Absolutely. We will take on board any views and opinions from across the chamber on what the strategy should include. We will engage with the more rural cred...
Pauline McNeill (Glasgow) (Lab) Lab
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Ruth Maguire (Cunninghame South) (SNP) SNP
I asked the Scottish Parliamentary Corporate Body whether it would consider extending the number of credit unions with which parliamentary staff, MSP staff a...
Pauline McNeill Lab
I agree 100 per cent with Ruth Maguire’s point. Not only can we set an example, but payroll deduction is a good thing and, where it is possible, it should be...
Michelle Ballantyne (South Scotland) (Con) Con
It is a pleasure to open the debate for my party. The cabinet secretary is right to say that it is a shared vision. In our manifesto, we said that we would...
Andy Wightman (Lothian) (Green) Green
I thank the cabinet secretary for bringing this debate to the chamber. Scottish Greens, too, were elected on a manifesto to champion not only credit unions...
Liam McArthur (Orkney Islands) (LD) LD
Like others, I welcome the debate, which is on a subject that the Parliament has a good track record on and returns to regularly. I confirm the Scottish Libe...
The Deputy Presiding Officer (Christine Grahame) SNP
Speeches should last a tight four minutes. There is no time in hand. 15:01
Ruth Maguire (Cunninghame South) (SNP) SNP
I welcome the Government’s commitment to seeing the credit union sector grow and thrive. I also welcome the cross-party support in Parliament for credit unio...
Jeremy Balfour (Lothian) (Con) Con
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The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
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Angela Constance (Almond Valley) (SNP) SNP
I start by thanking the cabinet secretary. She will recall that on the previous occasion in the chamber on which we celebrated the contribution that credit u...
Johann Lamont (Glasgow) (Lab) Lab
I declare interests as a member of the Scottish Co-operative Party, as a Labour and Co-operative MSP and as a member of a credit union. The Scottish Labour P...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
I call Tom Mason, to be followed by Tom Arthur. Interruption. I beg your pardon—I got my Toms muddled up. You can sit down, Mr Mason—it is my fault, not your...
Tom Arthur (Renfrewshire South) (SNP) SNP
I am grateful for the opportunity to take part in an excellent debate that is full of ideas from all sides of the chamber. I thank the Government for the deb...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
I call Tom Mason. My apologies for calling you in error earlier, Mr Mason. 15:21
Tom Mason (North East Scotland) (Con) Con
I am glad that there appears to be broad consensus on the benefits that credit unions can bring to people across the country in providing accessible finance ...
Maureen Watt (Aberdeen South and North Kincardine) (SNP) SNP
I am pleased to take part in this debate, as we can never highlight enough the importance of credit unions to our communities. More than 410,000 people are s...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
We move on to the closing speeches. I call James Kelly to close for Labour. You have four minutes, Mr Kelly. 15:29
James Kelly (Glasgow) (Lab) Lab
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Brian Whittle (South Scotland) (Con) Con
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Aileen Campbell SNP
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Pauline McNeill Lab
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Aileen Campbell SNP
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Liam McArthur LD
I thank the cabinet secretary for being the first member to namecheck my youngest son, Tom McArthur. Laughter. A number of members asked whether the corp...
Aileen Campbell SNP
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