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Meeting of the Parliament 17 September 2019

17 Sep 2019 · S5 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Credit Unions

I point-blank refuse to think about Christmas while it is still September, but I agree with the cabinet secretary that, for many families, Christmas is a difficult event that gets them into debt.

I hope that this will not just be a cuddly debate about how much we love credit unions—which we do—but that it will be about the principle of wider access to community and co-operative banking, as outlined by the cabinet secretary. There is an ethical side to saving and funding life that is central to the fabric of a modern and progressive Scotland, and there is a wider issue about teaching people how to look after their money.

Worldwide, there are more than 40,000 credit unions in 90 countries. Staggeringly, in Ireland, 70 per cent of the population belongs to a credit union. I like that figure—it is one that we should aim for. Credit unions can transform people’s approach to savings and alleviate exorbitant debt.

The Scottish Co-operative Party said in its briefing that we need to move away from the idea that credit unions are a financial institution for poor people, although that attitude might be changing. Credit unions are for all parts of the community, all age groups and all professions.

I agree that more needs to be done to promote credit unions among young people. I was impressed that my 13-year-old niece has a credit union account, which she got at primary school. We are beginning to make progress in schools. If we give school pupils access to a credit union, it helps them to learn about saving while promoting awareness of the existence of credit unions, hopefully for life. Last year, Labour announced that we would expand support for credit unions and give every first-year high-school pupil a £20 savings account with a local credit union. Credit unions are part of the very fabric of what our party believes in. The aim is to reduce the influence of payday lenders and promote savings. Hopefully, if given the chance, we will do that within a generation.

One in four children in Scotland lives in poverty. Many families feel that they have to turn to high-cost credit to pay for everyday household items and bills. StepChange Debt Charity Scotland estimates that 700,000 people in Scotland are in or at risk of problem debt. I have noticed report after report illustrating the levels of personal debt; problem debt affects what seems to be quite a wide group of people, which is deeply concerning.

One in three working families in the United Kingdom are only one pay cheque away from losing their home. Government figures show that 16.5 million working-age adults in the UK have no savings at all. We are facing Brexit and austerity, which is perhaps not the best environment in which to encourage saving, but we need to promote the idea of it. People are relying increasingly on borrowing through payday loans and credit cards because they do not see an alternative.

StepChange highlights the fact that many people are turning to high-cost credit. It reports that its clients have an average of £6,500 in credit card debt. With interest of 22 per cent or higher on high street credit cards, everyone will see why that is a concern.

As an aside, we believe that local councils should have the power to limit the number of fixed-odds betting terminals and betting shops on our high streets to tackle high levels of debt through gambling.

The cabinet secretary referred to the fact that credit unions have highlighted that payroll deduction schemes are a priority for the sector. That works if the person agrees to a deduction at the source—

In the same item of business

The Presiding Officer (Ken Macintosh) NPA
The next item of business is a debate on motion S5M-18884, in the name of Aileen Campbell, on investing in our credit unions. I call Aileen Campbell to speak...
The Cabinet Secretary for Communities and Local Government (Aileen Campbell) SNP
There are always junctures in life that demand we pay close attention to our finances, such as paying the bills for the summer holidays, school uniforms, and...
Liam McArthur (Orkney Islands) (LD) LD
I welcome the fund. Can the cabinet secretary give a commitment that the Government will look at the lower levels of engagement with credit unions in more ru...
Aileen Campbell SNP
Absolutely. We will take on board any views and opinions from across the chamber on what the strategy should include. We will engage with the more rural cred...
Pauline McNeill (Glasgow) (Lab) Lab
I point-blank refuse to think about Christmas while it is still September, but I agree with the cabinet secretary that, for many families, Christmas is a dif...
Ruth Maguire (Cunninghame South) (SNP) SNP
I asked the Scottish Parliamentary Corporate Body whether it would consider extending the number of credit unions with which parliamentary staff, MSP staff a...
Pauline McNeill Lab
I agree 100 per cent with Ruth Maguire’s point. Not only can we set an example, but payroll deduction is a good thing and, where it is possible, it should be...
Michelle Ballantyne (South Scotland) (Con) Con
It is a pleasure to open the debate for my party. The cabinet secretary is right to say that it is a shared vision. In our manifesto, we said that we would...
Andy Wightman (Lothian) (Green) Green
I thank the cabinet secretary for bringing this debate to the chamber. Scottish Greens, too, were elected on a manifesto to champion not only credit unions...
Liam McArthur (Orkney Islands) (LD) LD
Like others, I welcome the debate, which is on a subject that the Parliament has a good track record on and returns to regularly. I confirm the Scottish Libe...
The Deputy Presiding Officer (Christine Grahame) SNP
Speeches should last a tight four minutes. There is no time in hand. 15:01
Ruth Maguire (Cunninghame South) (SNP) SNP
I welcome the Government’s commitment to seeing the credit union sector grow and thrive. I also welcome the cross-party support in Parliament for credit unio...
Jeremy Balfour (Lothian) (Con) Con
I will start by saying to Pauline McNeill that Christmas has started, because my daughters are designing their Christmas cards at school today. I will make s...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
Thankfully, you did not offend me, Mr Balfour. That was a good idea. 15:08
Angela Constance (Almond Valley) (SNP) SNP
I start by thanking the cabinet secretary. She will recall that on the previous occasion in the chamber on which we celebrated the contribution that credit u...
Johann Lamont (Glasgow) (Lab) Lab
I declare interests as a member of the Scottish Co-operative Party, as a Labour and Co-operative MSP and as a member of a credit union. The Scottish Labour P...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
I call Tom Mason, to be followed by Tom Arthur. Interruption. I beg your pardon—I got my Toms muddled up. You can sit down, Mr Mason—it is my fault, not your...
Tom Arthur (Renfrewshire South) (SNP) SNP
I am grateful for the opportunity to take part in an excellent debate that is full of ideas from all sides of the chamber. I thank the Government for the deb...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
I call Tom Mason. My apologies for calling you in error earlier, Mr Mason. 15:21
Tom Mason (North East Scotland) (Con) Con
I am glad that there appears to be broad consensus on the benefits that credit unions can bring to people across the country in providing accessible finance ...
Maureen Watt (Aberdeen South and North Kincardine) (SNP) SNP
I am pleased to take part in this debate, as we can never highlight enough the importance of credit unions to our communities. More than 410,000 people are s...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
We move on to the closing speeches. I call James Kelly to close for Labour. You have four minutes, Mr Kelly. 15:29
James Kelly (Glasgow) (Lab) Lab
It has been a good and consensual debate. As a number of members have said, it is key that we take the central points from the debate that will help with the...
Brian Whittle (South Scotland) (Con) Con
As has been said, the debate has been very consensual, which is not always the case. We have heard from members across the chamber that a credit union is a n...
Aileen Campbell SNP
As members who have spoken in the debate have said, this has been a thorough and good debate. I agree with Pauline McNeill that it should not be a cuddly deb...
Pauline McNeill Lab
On the issue of payroll deduction, I do not think that anyone has mentioned the fact that the national health service has a credit union. I do not know wheth...
Aileen Campbell SNP
I absolutely agree with the point that Pauline McNeill makes about encouraging credit unions in the public sector. The Scottish Government does that, and I k...
Liam McArthur LD
I thank the cabinet secretary for being the first member to namecheck my youngest son, Tom McArthur. Laughter. A number of members asked whether the corp...
Aileen Campbell SNP
That is why our approach needs to be about more than just working with the credit unions. As Andy Wightman pointed out, we need that broader approach and we ...