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Meeting of the Parliament 03 September 2019

03 Sep 2019 · S5 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Palestine

The question of Palestine is the story of a people without a land—in fact, a people who were kicked out of their land in a very violent struggle. It is a simple story of colonial dispossession and ethnic cleansing.

Some people, such as Bill Bowman, do not want to recognise the recorded facts about the history of Palestine because they need and want to create a narrative to defend the Israel that they see. Clearly, Bill Bowman did not see any of the brutal elements of the occupation, which has now been going on for 53 years—the longest military occupation in history.

The world treats the issue as a multifaceted, complex story and demonises the struggle, as Bill Bowman has just done. People think that only Israel could possibly understand its complex story. Israel got 78 per cent of the former Palestine; the Palestinians were given 22 per cent, which has been occupied since 1967. The conflict is not about religion; it is about the Palestinian people’s struggle for national identity. All they want to do is to achieve a sovereign independent state of their own, and it is our responsibility to champion that cause.

We are no further forward now than we were decades ago. There is no hope for Palestinians or for their future. Twenty years of peace talks have turned out to be a sham. It is interesting that Mr Bowman blames the Palestinian leadership. I met members of the Knesset when I was an observer in the election. Some of the members were good enough to admit that they deliberately humiliated Yasser Arafat, who had laid down arms in order to provide a peaceful solution for the Palestinians. The people—rightly or wrongly—voted for Hamas in 2006. It does not matter what the Palestinian leadership does; there is always a reason not to grant Palestinians their state.

The state that we talk about is a state of occupation. Day and daily, children are shot in the street for throwing stones. Interestingly, the Jewish leader Henry Siegman, who is the former head of the American Jewish Congress, said that Israel is preventing a Palestinian state from being created. He said:

“Millions of Palestinians live in a subservient position without rights and without security, without hope, and without a future.”

He said that Palestinians want only the same as what Israeli Jews want, as we would expect.

I am proud that Labour has said that, if it got into power, it would recognise Palestine as an independent sovereign state. I understand that that is also Scottish National Party policy. In fact, 138 countries have recognised Palestine as an independent sovereign state.

I want to talk about the action that has been taken against children during the occupation, including arrest and detention. Sandra White might remember that, when we were in Salwan many years ago, we met a three-year-old child who had been detained by the Israel Defense Forces for throwing stones. Children are interrogated and taken from their parents during the night. The parents are then presented with documentation in Hebrew that they cannot understand. Adolescents are locked in Israeli jails, but we do not know where they are and their families have not heard from them for 10 or 15 years. Is that the Israel that people want to defend? It is quite shocking that people do not at least recognise the brutality of the occupation. Forty per cent of minors are arrested in the public sphere simply for throwing stones. Most notably, when she was 17, Ahed Tamimi was arrested for slapping a soldier and sentenced to 18 months in jail. We should remember that the soldier had killed her cousin in front of her very eyes.

Ambassador Husam Zomlot has sent a letter to all MSPs. He says that this is a crucial moment in the history of the Palestine-Israel conflict, not just for Palestinians but for Israelis, too. The incumbent Israeli Prime Minister is facing an election in which he is openly advocating against the two-state solution. The two-state solution is British foreign policy, Conservative policy, Labour policy and Liberal policy, and it was US policy until very recently.

As Claudia Beamish said, the UK has a unique and historic responsibility. The Balfour declaration was clear that, in the creation of the state of Israel, the rights of the indigenous population were to be protected. No such protection has happened in the past five decades. The only way to secure peace in the region is to recognise that Israel must be challenged to draw back from its illegal occupation, get round the table and create an independent Palestinian state. If we believe in any kind of fairness, that is what we will support.

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In the same item of business

The Deputy Presiding Officer (Christine Grahame) SNP
The final item of business is a members’ business debate on motion S5M-16637, in the name of Claudia Beamish, on “Towards an independent Palestinian state: a...
Claudia Beamish (South Scotland) (Lab) Lab
I am saddened to have to bring my motion to the chamber this afternoon, but I am relieved to have the opportunity to debate the grave situation that has been...
Sandra White (Glasgow Kelvin) (SNP) SNP
I congratulate Claudia Beamish, my colleague on the cross-party group on Palestine, on securing the debate and on making such a wonderful, heartfelt speech. ...
Bill Bowman (North East Scotland) (Con) Con
I thank Claudia Beamish for the debate. I have visited Israel and the West Bank twice, most recently in summer 2018 as part of the building bridges with Isra...
Claudia Beamish Lab
Will the member take an intervention?
Bill Bowman Con
I need to get on with making my points, thank you. Six measures are mentioned in the motion, and I will attempt to touch on each of them. The first is an ...
Sandra White SNP
Will the member give way?
Bill Bowman Con
Not at the moment, thanks. Interruption.
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
Sit down, please, Ms White. The member is not taking an intervention; there is no point in speaking.
Bill Bowman Con
Thank you, Presiding Officer. The second measure is true freedom of worship for all believers—Jewish, Muslim and Christian—at their holy sites in Jerusalem...
Claudia Beamish Lab
Can I make a quick intervention on that point?
Bill Bowman Con
No—I just want to get my points made, thank you. People who care about the fundamental rights of both peoples too often ignore the human rights violations o...
Pauline McNeill (Glasgow) (Lab) Lab
The question of Palestine is the story of a people without a land—in fact, a people who were kicked out of their land in a very violent struggle. It is a sim...
John Finnie (Highlands and Islands) (Green) Green
I congratulate my friend and colleague Claudia Beamish on making an excellent speech, as ever. One phrase that I noted from it was “a just way forward”. I re...
Edward Mountain (Highlands and Islands) (Con) Con
I take grave exception to anyone saying that anyone should promote or accept violence on any side. I accept the point that you made, Mr Finnie. First, both s...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
I did not want to intervene in a quite rightly emotional debate, but the word “you” is being used frequently. I let it pass a few times, but please remember ...
John Finnie Green
Apologies, Presiding Officer. I also apologise to Mr Mountain. The paramedics who are targeted and shot in protests do not shoot at anyone, and the photogra...
Alex Cole-Hamilton (Edinburgh Western) (LD) LD
I, too, am grateful to Claudia Beamish for bringing such a well-crafted motion to Parliament this afternoon. It threads the needle to allow all sides of the ...
Richard Lyle (Uddingston and Bellshill) (SNP) SNP
This should not be a debate of blame because we support a position or a state, but a debate of solutions. I thank Claudia Beamish for securing tonight’s deba...
John Finnie Green
Will the member take an intervention?
Richard Lyle SNP
Yes. I will—if I can get my time back.
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
That was not a very polite request, but you will get your time back.
John Finnie Green
I am grateful to Mr Lyle for accepting my intervention. In the normal course of things, having said what I said about dialogue, I would say yes to his reques...
Richard Lyle SNP
I am sure that I would not feel threatened in attending any cross-party group. We are saying that we need to find a solution. The point that I want to make t...
Richard Lyle SNP
There should be true freedom of worship for all believers—Jewish, Muslim and Christians—at their holy sites. Israel has accepted UN Security Council resolut...
Sandra White SNP
Will the member take an intervention?
Richard Lyle SNP
Recognising a Palestinian state without that arising from direct negotiations between the two parties will harm the peace process and drive the Palestinians ...
Sandra White SNP
Will the member take an intervention?
Richard Lyle SNP
No—I have something to say and I want to say it.
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
Please sit down, Ms White.