Committee
Rural Economy and Connectivity Committee 05 June 2019
05 Jun 2019 · S5 · Rural Economy and Connectivity Committee
Item of business
Transport (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2
I declare that I am the convener of the cross-party group on the Scottish Showmen’s Guild. I support the introduction of low-emission zones in cities, towns and villages, where required, but I have lodged amendment 2 on behalf of the Scottish section of the Showmen’s Guild because its members might have to drive through low-emission zones to erect funfairs at certain times of the year. Before anyone asks me what a funfair is, I will give you the “Oxford English Dictionary” definition. It is: “a fair consisting of rides, sideshows, and other amusements”. Due to the type of equipment that showmen have to erect, their vehicles can be large, and most run on diesel. Showmen have types of vehicle that are not on the road every day of the week, so they might keep a vehicle longer than other companies will, which means that a vehicle that they use might not comply with low-emission standards. Showmen have been allocated exemptions in most low-emission zones in England. The Transport for London website says that showmen’s vehicles “are eligible for a 100% discount from the LEZ daily charge if they are registered to a person following the business of a travelling showman” and are “Used during the performance, or ... Used for the purpose of providing the performance, or ... Used for carrying performance equipment”. Amendments 3 and 3A specify that local authorities must grant exemptions to showmen’s vehicles that are being driven through low-emission zones to set up or dismantle funfairs. A showman may have several pieces of equipment to take to the fairground and have to transport each ride separately. He or she might go through the zone on the same day towing a piece of equipment one way and coming back with no equipment attached. He or she might have to go through the zone many times, so I have lodged amendment 3A, which seeks to amend amendment 3, in order to cover that. I point out again that low-emission zones in England have granted showmen and persons who are employed in the erection of funfairs a 100 per cent discount from LEZ charges. With regard to the other amendments in the group, unfortunately I cannot support any of them.
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The Convener
Con
Agenda item 2 is consideration of stage 2 amendments to the Transport (Scotland) Bill. I welcome the Cabinet Secretary for Transport, Infrastructure and Con...
The Convener
Con
Amendment 40, in the name of Colin Smyth, is in a group on its own.
Colin Smyth (South Scotland) (Lab)
Lab
Amendment 40 sets out key principles that I believe should be at the heart of our transport system. The Transport (Scotland) Bill provides an opportunity to ...
Stewart Stevenson (Banffshire and Buchan Coast) (SNP)
SNP
I have a number of comments about the way in which this amendment is constructed. Subsection (2)(a) says: “transport is a key enabler for the realisation of...
Jamie Greene (West Scotland) (Con)
Con
I thank Colin Smyth for lodging his amendment. It is a good start to the session. There are some admirable intentions in the wording. Delivering public tr...
John Finnie (Highlands and Islands) (Green)
Green
Like others, I think that the principles are admirable and I support them. I listened to what Mr Stevenson said, but that would not preclude support—or clari...
The Cabinet Secretary for Transport, Infrastructure and Connectivity (Michael Matheson)
SNP
I welcome the fact that Mr Smyth’s amendment looks at transport in its wider strategic context, because it is easy to get bogged down in the detail of legisl...
The Convener
Con
Thank you for that comprehensive explanation.
Colin Smyth
Lab
As a nation, I think that we have lost sight of the bigger picture of what our transport system should be about, as was mentioned. In particular, there is th...
The Convener
Con
Amendment 32, in the name of Jamie Greene, is grouped with amendments 220 and 201.
Jamie Greene
Con
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Colin Smyth
Lab
Amendment 220, in my name, introduces a definition of the purpose of an LEZ, which was one of the committee’s recommendations at stage 1. Amendment 220 helps...
Stewart Stevenson
SNP
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John Finnie
Green
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Michael Matheson
SNP
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Jamie Greene
Con
I thank members for their comments and for the spirit in which their feedback was given. The purpose of amendment 32 was not to be overly prescriptive and u...
Colin Smyth
Lab
In the light of the cabinet secretary’s commitment to work on the wording of a potential amendment at stage 3, I will not move amendment 220. Amendment 220 ...
The Convener
Con
The next group is on low-emission zones: exemptions. Amendment 221, in the name of Rachael Hamilton, is grouped with amendments 33, 34, 2, 30, 31, 203, 56, 5...
Rachael Hamilton (Ettrick, Roxburgh and Berwickshire) (Con)
Con
I recognise the importance of low-emission zones and the purpose that they will strive to achieve in relation to air quality. However, community transport o...
Jamie Greene
Con
I will be happy to support Rachael Hamilton’s amendment 221 and amendments 30 and 31, in the name of Murdo Fraser—I am sure that Murdo will speak eloquently ...
John Finnie
Green
Jamie Greene says that he has no view one way or another, although he has lodged the amendment. Is that your position?
Jamie Greene
Con
Yes. Let me explain why. It is for the Government to take a view on whether diplomatic vehicles should be exempt from paying the fees. I am trying to ensure ...
Richard Lyle (Uddingston and Bellshill) (SNP)
SNP
I declare that I am the convener of the cross-party group on the Scottish Showmen’s Guild. I support the introduction of low-emission zones in cities, towns...
The Convener
Con
Oh, well. There you go, Mr Lyle.
Murdo Fraser (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Con)
Con
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Michael Matheson
SNP
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Richard Lyle
SNP
This provision might answer every call for an exemption, including mine. Under the heading, “Time-limited exemptions”, section 12 of the bill says: “A low e...
Michael Matheson
SNP
There is provision in the bill to allow a local authority to suspend the provisions of an LEZ for a particular event to take place. If there was to be a para...
Jamie Greene
Con
I am finding the discussion to be extremely helpful and useful. However, in relation to permanent exemptions, amendment 203 and time-limited exemptions, Mr L...
Michael Matheson
SNP
I can see where your confusion arises. It is because the exemptions will be dealt with by regulation. The work that we are currently undertaking will, rather...