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Chamber

Meeting of the Parliament 26 June 2019

26 Jun 2019 · S5 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Tenement Maintenance
Johnson, Daniel Lab Edinburgh Southern Watch on SPTV

I, too, begin by reeling off a list of thanks. I thank my fellow members of the cross-party working group. Taking part in such a group has been genuinely refreshing. It has worked in a very constructive way and certainly without any hint of party-political partisanship.

I thank the Government for making time for the issue to be discussed. The issue is serious, but it could easily be dismissed as technical or not necessarily as important as I believe that it is. I thank Euan Leitch, who put in an absolute power of work. Without his input, the report would not have been written. I also thank RICS, which supplied much of the wherewithal to make the report happen.

There is a simple reason why I think that the work is important. Tenemented residences and homes are absolutely core to my constituency. When we think of Edinburgh Southern, which I represent, we think of places such as Marchmont, Bruntsfield and Morningside. Those places are absolutely built on tenemented maintenance, and we need to maintain such fantastic areas and areas that we might not consider to be tenemented. As we have heard, the buildings range from post-war local authority-built houses to subdivided mansions. All those types of building—that rich seam of different types of homes—are tenemented. We need to maintain them not just because they are nice buildings—many of them are—but because they are critical to our country.

As Graham Simpson pointed out, housing is infrastructure. However, it is our most fundamental form of infrastructure. We are talking about the very homes in which we live. Housing is critical.

The minister and Graham Simpson set out some of the details. Before I set out some of the context, I acknowledge that Andy Wightman established the concept of housing being infrastructure. That is critical. Although housing is infrastructure, we must recognise the context in which the debate is taking place. We are seeing something of a housing crisis on many counts.

We are seeing a crisis of availability. Huge numbers of people in the city of Edinburgh have to live in temporary accommodation for far longer than they should have to. On affordability, too many people find themselves priced out of the housing market or simply find that housing costs take up a disproportionate amount of their wage. There is also the issue of sustainability. I was glad that the minister made points about the environmental sustainability of our housing and the need to invest in that for those reasons.

Those are the reasons why housing is so important. Maintenance is critical to housing for all those social goods, because housing underpins so much wellbeing in this country.

There is a clear public interest in taking forward measures such as those that are set out in the report. It is important that we preserve our housing stock and invest in it for future generations. It is not just the people who live in the houses now who will benefit from investment; future generations who will live in those houses will, too.

That is why we need legal recognition of the reality of tenemented housing. People do not own individual bits of property that are completely distinguished from other people’s property; in effect, they are co-owners of a single building. That fact is not currently recognised in the law, and that needs to change.

Over and above those points, there is a fundamental point of public safety that we need to recognise, which Graham Simpson alluded to. In the city of Edinburgh, there are huge numbers of roof falls every month. Between 2014 and 2018, the number of roof falls almost quadrupled. The 78 roof falls in Edinburgh, including 53 masonry falls, rose to a total of 254 roof falls and 179 masonry falls in 2018. Roof falls can be lethal, and they have been lethal in the past.

The proposals are not simply things that it would be nice to have and which would make lives a little bit better, although they would do. They could potentially save lives. The proposals have already been outlined, but we need building checks to make sure that the buildings continue to be safe and habitable, because preventative spend is much more cost effective than spend that is required when the damage has already been done.

We need owners associations so that people have the structure and the entity through which they can make collective decisions—

In the same item of business

The Deputy Presiding Officer (Christine Grahame) SNP
The next item of business is a debate on motion S5M-17892, in the name of Kevin Stewart, on the working group on tenement maintenance. 15:50
The Minister for Local Government, Housing and Planning (Kevin Stewart) SNP
I welcome the publication earlier this month of the final recommendations report of the working group on maintenance of tenement scheme property. I commend t...
Andy Wightman (Lothian) (Green) Green
The minister has highlighted challenges, such as the sinking fund. Does he accept that there are plenty of examples around the world of such arrangements tha...
Kevin Stewart SNP
I have not said that it is impossible, and we need to look at what has happened elsewhere to get that absolutely right. I will respond in depth in the autumn...
Graham Simpson (Central Scotland) (Con) Con
I thank the Government for giving up its debating time to debate this issue; the Minister for Europe, Ben Macpherson, who was the initial convener of the wor...
Daniel Johnson (Edinburgh Southern) (Lab) Lab
I, too, begin by reeling off a list of thanks. I thank my fellow members of the cross-party working group. Taking part in such a group has been genuinely ref...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
You must close now.
Daniel Johnson Lab
I will close shortly. For those reasons—
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
Now.
Daniel Johnson Lab
I welcome the proposals and look forward to the minister’s statement in the autumn.
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
Thank you. I am glad that you understand the word “now”. I call Andy Wightman, who will be followed by Stuart McMillan. The open debate speeches are four min...
Andy Wightman (Lothian) (Green) Green
As other members have done, I thank the minister for making time for the debate and the Scottish Government for providing some critical funding that oiled th...
Stuart McMillan (Greenock and Inverclyde) (SNP) SNP
I thank Graham Simpson for chairing the working group, and Ben Macpherson for doing so beforehand. The work of the group has been a useful exercise and, as o...
Gordon Lindhurst (Lothian) (Con) Con
As a member of the cross-party working group, I am pleased to have the opportunity to speak in the debate. I begin, as others did, by thanking my colleagues—...
Pauline McNeill (Glasgow) (Lab) Lab
There is no Latin in my speech, Presiding Officer. If you hear any, it is there by mistake. First, I thank the members of the working group—Daniel Johnson, ...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
I am afraid that you cannot. I want to leave time for the statement on transvaginal mesh ; I do not want to eat into that time.
Pauline McNeill Lab
That is fine. 16:27
John Mason (Glasgow Shettleston) (SNP) SNP
I am pleased to take part in the debate to mark the launch of this report. As others have said, the subject is difficult and will not be easy to sort, but we...
Annie Wells (Glasgow) (Con) Con
It will come as no surprise to members that I am speaking in today’s debate on tenement maintenance, given that I am a member for Glasgow. Glasgow is famed ...
Maureen Watt (Aberdeen South and North Kincardine) (SNP) SNP
I, too, am pleased to be taking part in the debate, as someone who has attended all the meetings of the working group on tenement maintenance since September...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
You must end there—thank you. I call Daniel Johnson to close for Labour. 16:39
Daniel Johnson Lab
There have been a great number of speeches, and it is notable how much agreement there has been in the chamber. I do not propose to rehearse any of the argum...
Jeremy Balfour (Lothian) (Con) Con
I thank the Government and the minister for making time for the debate, and I am grateful for all the contributions that have come from across the chamber. ...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
I call Kevin Stewart to close for the Government.
Kevin Stewart SNP
How long have I got, Presiding Officer?
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
Six minutes. 16:47
Kevin Stewart SNP
I am grateful to all the members who have taken part in today’s debate. The common ground on the points at issue is reflected in the joint motion and the con...