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Meeting of the Parliament 26 June 2019

26 Jun 2019 · S5 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Tenement Maintenance

I thank the Government for giving up its debating time to debate this issue; the Minister for Europe, Ben Macpherson, who was the initial convener of the working group; and fellow members who have been an integral part of the group—Andy Wightman, Daniel Johnson, John Mason, Jeremy Balfour, Maureen Watt, Stuart McMillan and Gordon Lindhurst, who I suspect was the only member who understood the minister’s attempt at Latin.

We have had a few debates on this subject, but the condition of housing does not get nearly enough attention in this place. It affects all of us and, if things go wrong, it can harm people’s physical and mental health.

We have all dealt with cases of buildings that are in need of repair, damp, insecure or leaking. The statistics—the minister touched on some of them—paint a pretty grim picture. We know from the most recent Scottish house condition survey that 68 per cent of homes have some degree of disrepair; disrepair to critical elements stands at 50 per cent; 28 per cent had some instance of urgent disrepair; and 5 per cent had extensive disrepair. Those figures have not moved in a year. Nearly a fifth of our housing is pre-1919—that is 467,000 homes, and 68 per cent of them have disrepair to critical elements. That is a lot of homes that need a lot of work done to them.

We need to see housing as part of the fabric of our nation. Our built heritage is part of our infrastructure, and we need to view tenement maintenance in that way. There is a need to act. Recent statistics for Edinburgh, for example, show that there are 20 incidents of falling masonry every month. That is just in Edinburgh—if we imagine that replicated across the country, we see the scale of the problem. We are looking not only at older buildings that one might traditionally think of as tenements but at newer buildings, too. In East Kilbride, where I live, a lot of the buildings, which were all built around the same time—they are not pre-1919—are falling into disrepair.

The working group on tenement maintenance is a genuinely cross-party group. That is important, because if we are going to tackle this extremely difficult issue, it needs to be done with the approval of every party in the chamber. Earlier this month, we published our final report with key recommendations; I will come to those in a moment. Implementing the changes will not be easy, and there will be a cost, but we cannot ignore the human cost to physical and mental health and wellbeing of not taking action.

There are three recommendations. First, we believe that tenement properties should be inspected every five years, and a report should be prepared that will be publicly available to existing or prospective owners, tenants, neighbours and policy makers. The purpose of the report will be to show what condition the building is in, how much it will cost to bring it up to standard if it is defective and what needs to be done by way of on-going maintenance.

Secondly, the group recommended the compulsory establishment of owners associations. Such associations are an essential element of tenement maintenance in that they provide leadership and effective decision-making processes and are able to enter into contracts. If, for whatever reason, an owners association cannot be established or it fails, compulsory factoring could be the fallback position.

The final recommendation is the establishment of building reserve funds. There was a lot discussion over how such a fund would look and operate; the minister rightly touched on some of the challenges in that respect. It was decided that a central fund was preferable to an owners association-held fund, as it would have better protection and would make it easier to prevent fraud. We know that none of those ideas is simple. The issue is very complex. The solution could be controversial and a lot of people will not like it, but it needs to be done. The report provides suggestions for further research and actions as well as timelines for the implementation of the recommendations. As the minister said, it could take 10 years or more.

There is a lot still to do, but I am confident that we are on the right path, and I know that the Scottish Government takes the matter seriously. I am pleased to hear that the minister will be making a statement in the autumn—I look forward to that. We need cross-party support, which is why no amendments to the motion have been lodged.

I give my appreciation for the hard work and effort of the stakeholders in the group, our secretariat—Euan Leitch from the Built Environment Forum Scotland and the Royal Institution of Chartered Surveyors—as well as the other organisations and individuals who took part. Without them, we would not be where we are today.

Last May, Parliament voted in favour of a motion that called for a review of legislation on tenements. That has not happened yet, but I hope that today’s debate will be the catalyst for it. I was pleased to hear the minister say that he will make a statement and that the Government will take part in a conference on the issue because, to be frank, doing nothing is not an option.

16:04  

In the same item of business

The Deputy Presiding Officer (Christine Grahame) SNP
The next item of business is a debate on motion S5M-17892, in the name of Kevin Stewart, on the working group on tenement maintenance. 15:50
The Minister for Local Government, Housing and Planning (Kevin Stewart) SNP
I welcome the publication earlier this month of the final recommendations report of the working group on maintenance of tenement scheme property. I commend t...
Andy Wightman (Lothian) (Green) Green
The minister has highlighted challenges, such as the sinking fund. Does he accept that there are plenty of examples around the world of such arrangements tha...
Kevin Stewart SNP
I have not said that it is impossible, and we need to look at what has happened elsewhere to get that absolutely right. I will respond in depth in the autumn...
Graham Simpson (Central Scotland) (Con) Con
I thank the Government for giving up its debating time to debate this issue; the Minister for Europe, Ben Macpherson, who was the initial convener of the wor...
Daniel Johnson (Edinburgh Southern) (Lab) Lab
I, too, begin by reeling off a list of thanks. I thank my fellow members of the cross-party working group. Taking part in such a group has been genuinely ref...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
You must close now.
Daniel Johnson Lab
I will close shortly. For those reasons—
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
Now.
Daniel Johnson Lab
I welcome the proposals and look forward to the minister’s statement in the autumn.
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
Thank you. I am glad that you understand the word “now”. I call Andy Wightman, who will be followed by Stuart McMillan. The open debate speeches are four min...
Andy Wightman (Lothian) (Green) Green
As other members have done, I thank the minister for making time for the debate and the Scottish Government for providing some critical funding that oiled th...
Stuart McMillan (Greenock and Inverclyde) (SNP) SNP
I thank Graham Simpson for chairing the working group, and Ben Macpherson for doing so beforehand. The work of the group has been a useful exercise and, as o...
Gordon Lindhurst (Lothian) (Con) Con
As a member of the cross-party working group, I am pleased to have the opportunity to speak in the debate. I begin, as others did, by thanking my colleagues—...
Pauline McNeill (Glasgow) (Lab) Lab
There is no Latin in my speech, Presiding Officer. If you hear any, it is there by mistake. First, I thank the members of the working group—Daniel Johnson, ...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
I am afraid that you cannot. I want to leave time for the statement on transvaginal mesh ; I do not want to eat into that time.
Pauline McNeill Lab
That is fine. 16:27
John Mason (Glasgow Shettleston) (SNP) SNP
I am pleased to take part in the debate to mark the launch of this report. As others have said, the subject is difficult and will not be easy to sort, but we...
Annie Wells (Glasgow) (Con) Con
It will come as no surprise to members that I am speaking in today’s debate on tenement maintenance, given that I am a member for Glasgow. Glasgow is famed ...
Maureen Watt (Aberdeen South and North Kincardine) (SNP) SNP
I, too, am pleased to be taking part in the debate, as someone who has attended all the meetings of the working group on tenement maintenance since September...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
You must end there—thank you. I call Daniel Johnson to close for Labour. 16:39
Daniel Johnson Lab
There have been a great number of speeches, and it is notable how much agreement there has been in the chamber. I do not propose to rehearse any of the argum...
Jeremy Balfour (Lothian) (Con) Con
I thank the Government and the minister for making time for the debate, and I am grateful for all the contributions that have come from across the chamber. ...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
I call Kevin Stewart to close for the Government.
Kevin Stewart SNP
How long have I got, Presiding Officer?
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
Six minutes. 16:47
Kevin Stewart SNP
I am grateful to all the members who have taken part in today’s debate. The common ground on the points at issue is reflected in the joint motion and the con...