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Meeting of the Parliament 04 June 2019

04 Jun 2019 · S5 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Realising Scotland’s Potential
Mason, John SNP Glasgow Shettleston Watch on SPTV

I am pleased to take part in this Conservative debate on the economy. I will first focus on the part of the motion that talks about

“the need to address the skills gap in the economy”.

As others have said, it is true that there are skill shortages, but that is not because we have loads of unemployed people—unemployment is at a record low of 3.2 per cent—or people with the wrong skills. Rather, the biggest problem is that there is a lack of people. When we went into the union, in 1707, we had something like one fifth of the population of England; now it is more like one tenth. It is very hard to grow an economy if the population is not growing. It is a failure of the British project since 1707 that England’s population has grown much more than Scotland’s. Scotland has been let down.

Agriculture, construction and tourism are all sectors that are dependent on EU and other workers coming to Scotland. Tourism specifically is worth some £9.7 billion to the economy, and EU citizens are reckoned to make up 13 per cent of the local tourism workforce, 15 per cent of the workforce in the accommodation sector and 19 per cent of the workforce in hotels and restaurants. If boosting Scotland’s economy is linked to growing Scotland’s population, how can we boost the population? Well, how about being part of the European Union, which would allow the free movement of workers? How about relaxing our immigration policy so that more people can come here and work?

Of course, the UK is going in exactly the opposite direction. The UK wants to leave the EU, stop free movement and tighten immigration policies. Therefore, it seems that the UK is deliberately following policies that will damage the Scottish economy. Is the UK Government consciously following a policy to damage Scotland? Even I do not think that it is quite as bad as that, but, at the very least, the UK is pursuing policies without considering their negative impact on Scotland.

In the same item of business

The Deputy Presiding Officer (Linda Fabiani) SNP
The next item of business is a debate on motion S5M-17504, in the name of Dean Lockhart, on realising Scotland’s potential. 15:41
Dean Lockhart (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Con) Con
The Scottish Conservatives will use our time today to set out a new direction in economic policy and a comprehensive new approach to skills and training. Th...
The Minister for Public Finance and Digital Economy (Kate Forbes) SNP
Will the member take an intervention?
Dean Lockhart Con
I will later. That is why we will set out measures to address those challenges and opportunities. With regard to Scotland’s trade, more than 60 per cent of ...
Kate Forbes SNP
I will intervene on a different point. In the spirit of gaining consensus, on the point around attracting skills, one of the biggest threats to that—particul...
Dean Lockhart Con
Immigration will continue to play an important part in Scotland’s economy, but it is a derogation of duty for any Government to ignore the training needs of ...
Tom Arthur (Renfrewshire South) (SNP) SNP
Will the member give way?
Clare Adamson (Motherwell and Wishaw) (SNP) SNP
Will the member take an intervention?
Dean Lockhart Con
I will in a second Our skills participation policy, which will focus on those who leave school without going into education or formal training, will be targ...
Clare Adamson SNP
Given your commitment to keeping people in education and training, can you explain why the United Kingdom Government did away with the education maintenance ...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
Members should always speak through the chair, please.
Dean Lockhart Con
I will come to that point later. Today we are announcing a comprehensive set of new proposals that will address the skills gap that the Scottish National Par...
The Minister for Business, Fair Work and Skills (Jamie Hepburn) SNP
I welcome the opportunity that the debate provides to outline the strength of Scotland’s economy and labour market. I also welcome the opportunity to recogni...
Dean Lockhart Con
Last week, the Fraser of Allander institute highlighted that Brexit is a UK-wide issue. Why is Scotland’s economy forecast to continue to underperform the re...
Jamie Hepburn SNP
Mr Lockhart says that Scotland underperforms the rest of the UK. However, I was just about to set out the strengths of the Scottish economy. I noticed that t...
Neil Findlay (Lothian) (Lab) Lab
Will the minister reflect on what has been done in New Zealand, which has proposed budgets based on wellbeing rather than the continued pursuit of economic g...
Jamie Hepburn SNP
I do not concur that it contradicts sustainability principles. The record on our ambitions with regard to a sustainable and inclusive form of economic growth...
Richard Leonard (Central Scotland) (Lab) Lab
The Scottish Labour Party is always happy to take any opportunity to make our case for real and radical economic change, for more investment and less austeri...
Liz Smith (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Con) Con
I do not doubt the seriousness of the member’s comments, but does he realise that economic growth is paramount to address those concerns and that Labour’s po...
Richard Leonard Lab
The critical issue is the distribution of economic benefit from economic growth, which is one of the fault lines in our society. We say to the Scottish Gove...
Patrick Harvie (Glasgow) (Green) Green
What are the timings for speeches, Presiding Officer?
The Deputy Presiding Officer (Christine Grahame) SNP
I am sorry, Mr Harvie, I thought that you knew. Mr Harvie and Mr Rennie, you have four minutes, but there is time for interventions.
Patrick Harvie Green
Thank you, Presiding Officer. On one level, I welcome the fact that the debate is beginning to include a wider range of views on the wider question of econo...
Willie Rennie (North East Fife) (LD) LD
I was pleased with Richard Leonard’s speech, because he gave an unequivocal position on Europe. That is to be welcomed. I waited for the caveat that I though...
Neil Findlay Lab
Will the member take an intervention on that point?
Willie Rennie LD
Certainly.
Neil Findlay Lab
What influence did Mr Rennie have over the coalition Government, of which his party was a member, which cut budgets in all those sectors across the UK?
Willie Rennie LD
That was a nice try from Neil Findlay, but this is a debate about the economy and the future of this country. We can have another debate about the matter tha...
John Mason (Glasgow Shettleston) (SNP) SNP
I am pleased to take part in this Conservative debate on the economy. I will first focus on the part of the motion that talks about “the need to address the...
Dean Lockhart Con
I would like to bring John Mason into the 21st century by referring to last week’s Scottish Fiscal Commission report, which blamed the £1 billion black hole ...