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Meeting of the Parliament 04 June 2019

04 Jun 2019 · S5 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Realising Scotland’s Potential

That was a nice try from Neil Findlay, but this is a debate about the economy and the future of this country. We can have another debate about the matter that he raised, any time that he wishes. I would be delighted to have that debate. I would also be delighted to debate the performance of the Labour Opposition on Brexit over the past three years, which has been woeful.

We need to focus on the big challenges that Scotland faces. I believe that the answers lie in participation in our economy, which helps the economy to grow while providing opportunities for individuals to succeed. That is why we are strongly in favour of early intervention, particularly through nursery education and in the context of the pupil premium—or pupil equity fund, as we call it in Scotland—which give young people the foundation that they require if they are to grow their skills and get work in future. Participation is the answer to questions about the sustainability of our economy and opportunities for everyone.

I have to say that the start of this debate involved a fruitless trading of statistics on performance. There are marginal differences on growth, productivity and employment, and it is pointless to argue about them as though they were significant. We need to recognise that our economy faces a massive hurdle—indeed, there is a massive cosh over it, because of the threats of Brexit and independence.

Both threats are as bad as each other, and both governing parties are as bad as each other if they think that the differences that they highlighted are significant. We need to recognise that the constitutional upheaval that has been imposed on our country over the past 10 years has had a significant impact on our economy and that we need to make it stop if we are to give people the opportunity to achieve more.

Skills and workforce shortages are at the heart of our problems in this country, too. Today I met pharmacists—there is a big shortage of pharmacists. Yesterday, I heard about the massive shortage of general practitioners in our country. There is a massive shortage of nurses. Processing businesses are struggling to get the workforce that they need. Farms and the hospitality sector are also struggling. There is a shortage of engineers.

There are massive shortages of skills and workers, throughout the country. That is partly to do with fears about freedom of movement and our cutting off opportunities to attract people from other parts of the globe, including Europe. However, some of the problems are born here. We heard this morning about the colleges that are having real problems with their finances. That has gone on for years. We know that, year after year, the SNP Government cut a massive number of college places, and the effects are still being felt. The apprenticeship levy is not working either. Businesses tell me that because of the levy, they are cutting their training budgets rather than increasing them. If that is the effect that the levy is having on training in our businesses, it is not working.

My final point, which I hope the minister addresses in his conclusion, is that the last time that we debated this, Jamie Hepburn said that there would be immediate action to clamp down on regional selective assistance grants going to businesses. I have not yet seen any evidence that any action has been taken. There was a debate about whether it was a pilot. I would be interested to get an update on that.

Finally, 99 per cent of businesses in Scotland have not signed up to Jamie Hepburn’s business pledge. Have more of them signed up since the previous debate?

16:11  

In the same item of business

The Deputy Presiding Officer (Linda Fabiani) SNP
The next item of business is a debate on motion S5M-17504, in the name of Dean Lockhart, on realising Scotland’s potential. 15:41
Dean Lockhart (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Con) Con
The Scottish Conservatives will use our time today to set out a new direction in economic policy and a comprehensive new approach to skills and training. Th...
The Minister for Public Finance and Digital Economy (Kate Forbes) SNP
Will the member take an intervention?
Dean Lockhart Con
I will later. That is why we will set out measures to address those challenges and opportunities. With regard to Scotland’s trade, more than 60 per cent of ...
Kate Forbes SNP
I will intervene on a different point. In the spirit of gaining consensus, on the point around attracting skills, one of the biggest threats to that—particul...
Dean Lockhart Con
Immigration will continue to play an important part in Scotland’s economy, but it is a derogation of duty for any Government to ignore the training needs of ...
Tom Arthur (Renfrewshire South) (SNP) SNP
Will the member give way?
Clare Adamson (Motherwell and Wishaw) (SNP) SNP
Will the member take an intervention?
Dean Lockhart Con
I will in a second Our skills participation policy, which will focus on those who leave school without going into education or formal training, will be targ...
Clare Adamson SNP
Given your commitment to keeping people in education and training, can you explain why the United Kingdom Government did away with the education maintenance ...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
Members should always speak through the chair, please.
Dean Lockhart Con
I will come to that point later. Today we are announcing a comprehensive set of new proposals that will address the skills gap that the Scottish National Par...
The Minister for Business, Fair Work and Skills (Jamie Hepburn) SNP
I welcome the opportunity that the debate provides to outline the strength of Scotland’s economy and labour market. I also welcome the opportunity to recogni...
Dean Lockhart Con
Last week, the Fraser of Allander institute highlighted that Brexit is a UK-wide issue. Why is Scotland’s economy forecast to continue to underperform the re...
Jamie Hepburn SNP
Mr Lockhart says that Scotland underperforms the rest of the UK. However, I was just about to set out the strengths of the Scottish economy. I noticed that t...
Neil Findlay (Lothian) (Lab) Lab
Will the minister reflect on what has been done in New Zealand, which has proposed budgets based on wellbeing rather than the continued pursuit of economic g...
Jamie Hepburn SNP
I do not concur that it contradicts sustainability principles. The record on our ambitions with regard to a sustainable and inclusive form of economic growth...
Richard Leonard (Central Scotland) (Lab) Lab
The Scottish Labour Party is always happy to take any opportunity to make our case for real and radical economic change, for more investment and less austeri...
Liz Smith (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Con) Con
I do not doubt the seriousness of the member’s comments, but does he realise that economic growth is paramount to address those concerns and that Labour’s po...
Richard Leonard Lab
The critical issue is the distribution of economic benefit from economic growth, which is one of the fault lines in our society. We say to the Scottish Gove...
Patrick Harvie (Glasgow) (Green) Green
What are the timings for speeches, Presiding Officer?
The Deputy Presiding Officer (Christine Grahame) SNP
I am sorry, Mr Harvie, I thought that you knew. Mr Harvie and Mr Rennie, you have four minutes, but there is time for interventions.
Patrick Harvie Green
Thank you, Presiding Officer. On one level, I welcome the fact that the debate is beginning to include a wider range of views on the wider question of econo...
Willie Rennie (North East Fife) (LD) LD
I was pleased with Richard Leonard’s speech, because he gave an unequivocal position on Europe. That is to be welcomed. I waited for the caveat that I though...
Neil Findlay Lab
Will the member take an intervention on that point?
Willie Rennie LD
Certainly.
Neil Findlay Lab
What influence did Mr Rennie have over the coalition Government, of which his party was a member, which cut budgets in all those sectors across the UK?
Willie Rennie LD
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John Mason (Glasgow Shettleston) (SNP) SNP
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Dean Lockhart Con
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