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Meeting of the Parliament 15 May 2019

15 May 2019 · S5 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Education

Here we are again. We are only two weeks into the month of May, and this is the second debate on education to have been led by Opposition parties in those 14 days.

I want to be very clear to the Scottish Government on one point. Scottish Conservatives’ position on this issue is not about political opportunism, as the SNP is fond of saying; parties across the chamber are genuinely and seriously concerned about the current state of Scottish education.

Stakeholders from all walks of life, as well as members of the Scottish Parliament, have highlighted the various ways in which our education system is deteriorating. Some examples of that are Scotland’s performance in the international programme for international student assessment—PISA—results continually declining under the SNP; teacher numbers having fallen by more than 3,100 since 2007-08; public opinion ratings of Scotland’s schools being at record low levels;·and the narrowing of subject choices for children entering S4.

Last week, the Education and Skills Committee heard from Larry Flanagan, the head of the largest teaching union in Scotland, who talked of an “explosion” in multilevel teaching since the introduction of curriculum for excellence. The combined class method of teaching is not ideal and has had a negative effect on everyone. One thing that could have begun to turn things around was the SNP’s flagship education bill, but that was scrapped just before the recess last summer.

Well, the Government may have scrapped the bill, but it has not scrapped the problems. The Education and Skills Committee has recently heard evidence from several stakeholders on the reduction in subject choice. In last week’s session, Francisco Valdera-Gil, from the Scottish Council of Deans of Education, pointed out that the reduction in subject choice is having knock-on effects on modern languages. He said:

“In 2011 and 2012, there were 28,000 students doing standard grade French and we have 6,000 or 7,000 now.”—[Official Report, Education and Skills Committee, 8 May 2019; c 25.]

In the same item of business

The Deputy Presiding Officer (Christine Grahame) SNP
The next item of business is a debate on motion S5M-17280, in the name of Tavish Scott, on education. 15:49
Tavish Scott (Shetland Islands) (LD) LD
We are debating education on the 20th anniversary of the Scottish Parliament, after 12 years of Scottish National Party Government and four years on from the...
The Deputy First Minister and Cabinet Secretary for Education and Skills (John Swinney) SNP
Let me begin by setting out the areas on which I agree with Tavish Scott. I agree that education is the central purpose of this Government. It is the purpose...
Iain Gray (East Lothian) (Lab) Lab
Will the cabinet secretary give way?
John Swinney SNP
I ask Mr Gray to forgive me. We also see funding being targeted directly to individual schools through pupil equity funding. I hear the criticisms that Mr S...
Oliver Mundell (Dumfriesshire) (Con) Con
Will the cabinet secretary give way?
John Swinney SNP
I had better give way to Mr Gray first.
Iain Gray Lab
Mr Swinney must know that Universities Scotland tells us that its funding is 11 per cent lower than it was just a few years ago. How can what he has just sai...
John Swinney SNP
It is true because rising levels of total resource are going into the university sector. I will now give way to Mr Mundell.
Oliver Mundell Con
I hear what the cabinet secretary says about pupil equity funding. Does he recognise that there is still a problem for small schools in my constituency, many...
John Swinney SNP
PEF reaches 95 per cent of schools in Scotland. I appreciate that there are challenges around the distribution mechanism, and my officials are engaged with l...
Johann Lamont (Glasgow) (Lab) Lab
Will the cabinet secretary give way?
John Swinney SNP
If Johann Lamont will forgive me, I will give way to her during my closing remarks. Those positive destinations are at a record level because of the appropr...
Iain Gray (East Lothian) (Lab) Lab
It is worth going back to what the First Minister said, when she started in office, about education being a priority. Key interventions were mentioned in her...
Liz Smith (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Con) Con
The 2015 OECD report that examined Scottish schools said some very interesting things, and it is in that context that I will address Tavish Scott’s motion, w...
John Swinney SNP
Liz Smith alights on a point that I simply find difficult to comprehend about the Conservative’s stance. The Conservatives have long argued—I respect their p...
Liz Smith Con
Yes, I absolutely will, cabinet secretary. That is the same question that you asked in the previous debate, which I answered. I fundamentally believe in a co...
Ross Greer (West Scotland) (Green) Green
Like colleagues, I am grateful to Tavish Scott for bringing a debate on education before Parliament this afternoon. It is a continuing frustration for many ...
Liam McArthur (Orkney Islands) (LD) LD
Four years ago, like Liz Smith, I was a member of this Parliament’s Education and Culture Committee. Since then, the committee has gained in skills what, in ...
Jenny Gilruth (Mid Fife and Glenrothes) (SNP) SNP
I was going to start by saying that, perhaps for the first time in his life, Tavish Scott is right. However, I found his speech rather depressing. Nonetheles...
Oliver Mundell (Dumfriesshire) (Con) Con
Will the member take an intervention?
Jenny Gilruth SNP
I will in a second. Although all teachers should have a baseline understanding of ASN from either their postgraduate or BEd qualifications, all young people...
Oliver Mundell Con
Will Ms Gilruth clarify when the issue of additional support needs was suddenly bumped up the Government’s agenda? Why has it taken until today for it to rec...
Jenny Gilruth SNP
I do not accept Oliver Mundell’s point. The Education and Skills Committee has already carried out an inquiry into the issue, so I am not sure why he thinks ...
Alison Harris (Central Scotland) (Con) Con
Here we are again. We are only two weeks into the month of May, and this is the second debate on education to have been led by Opposition parties in those 14...
Jenny Gilruth SNP
Will the member take an intervention?
Alison Harris Con
No. I am sorry. I have only four minutes. That is approximately a 75 per cent drop, which is incredible. However, when faced with those facts, the SNP rever...
Jenny Gilruth SNP
Taking modern languages is no longer compulsory to S4.
Alison Harris Con
I am sorry—could you please be quiet, Ms Gilruth? I am not taking interjections from you. We have heard the First Minister refuse to answer questions on sub...
Johann Lamont (Glasgow) (Lab) Lab
I welcome the opportunity to participate in this debate. Anybody who knows me knows that, at my very core, I want to build consensus. I want people to agree ...