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Meeting of the Parliament 15 May 2019

15 May 2019 · S5 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Education
Gilruth, Jenny SNP Mid Fife and Glenrothes Watch on SPTV

I do not accept Oliver Mundell’s point. The Education and Skills Committee has already carried out an inquiry into the issue, so I am not sure why he thinks that it has not been on the Government’s agenda.

I turn to teacher retention. On previous occasions in the chamber, I have highlighted my own frustrations about the lack of power that I had, as a faculty head, to appoint staff because I had to take someone on as “surplus”. Even when a permanent appointment could be made, I was not able to interview candidates. That is why teacher empowerment is so important.

In Scotland, we are now moving from a top-down system—from the local authority level—to a collegiate one that focuses on teacher agency. That is exactly what the Education and Skills Committee heard in the evidence that was given at its meeting this morning. Part of that shift will be supported by regional improvement collaboratives, but the rest must come from the profession. Opportunities for continuing professional development will be vital in that respect, and local authorities must also play their part. For example, in 2011, I undertook a qualification through the University of Dundee to obtain credits in history and so become qualified to teach two subjects. My then employer, the City of Edinburgh Council, part-funded that qualification as an investment in me as an aspiring faculty head, and that meant that I was retained, because my opportunities to develop were not curtailed.

On the other hand, we also need to look at the practicalities of timetabling CPD opportunities. I well recall that, at about this time eight years ago, at the same time as I had lead responsibility for organising our school’s annual S3 trip to London, I was knee deep in marking for Scottish Qualifications Authority exams and had to complete a history assignment. Creating opportunities that allow staff to flourish, particularly in secondary teaching, depends largely on timetabling those opportunities appropriately. As my fellow secondary teachers will know, teaching staff have always regarded the month of May as an excellent time in the school calendar. Pupils are on study leave, so May means that staff have a chance to catch up and plan for the year ahead—that they have time.

We must also discuss progression pathways for teachers. Last week, the Education and Skills Committee heard evidence about the faculty structure narrowing promotional opportunities for classroom teachers. Although pay is undoubtedly important, if we want to retain talent, we must give folk somewhere to go. We have pupil pathways, so what about having pathways for teachers?

Time is short, so I will conclude by quoting Professor Andy Hargreaves, who, earlier this year, told the Education and Skills Committee about the importance of stability of government when committing to deliver educational reform. He said:

“Singapore does not have a democracy as we would understand it and so has complete stability of government ... we can get such stability through cross-party agreement and consensus that education is above political infighting—that is pretty much what there is in Finland. In that respect, I urge you not to be like Singapore but perhaps to be a little more like Finland.”—[Official Report, Education and Skills Committee, 30 January 2019; c 16.]

Perhaps today’s debate is an opportunity to do just that and to put the pedagogy above the politics. We can but hope.

16:28  

In the same item of business

The Deputy Presiding Officer (Christine Grahame) SNP
The next item of business is a debate on motion S5M-17280, in the name of Tavish Scott, on education. 15:49
Tavish Scott (Shetland Islands) (LD) LD
We are debating education on the 20th anniversary of the Scottish Parliament, after 12 years of Scottish National Party Government and four years on from the...
The Deputy First Minister and Cabinet Secretary for Education and Skills (John Swinney) SNP
Let me begin by setting out the areas on which I agree with Tavish Scott. I agree that education is the central purpose of this Government. It is the purpose...
Iain Gray (East Lothian) (Lab) Lab
Will the cabinet secretary give way?
John Swinney SNP
I ask Mr Gray to forgive me. We also see funding being targeted directly to individual schools through pupil equity funding. I hear the criticisms that Mr S...
Oliver Mundell (Dumfriesshire) (Con) Con
Will the cabinet secretary give way?
John Swinney SNP
I had better give way to Mr Gray first.
Iain Gray Lab
Mr Swinney must know that Universities Scotland tells us that its funding is 11 per cent lower than it was just a few years ago. How can what he has just sai...
John Swinney SNP
It is true because rising levels of total resource are going into the university sector. I will now give way to Mr Mundell.
Oliver Mundell Con
I hear what the cabinet secretary says about pupil equity funding. Does he recognise that there is still a problem for small schools in my constituency, many...
John Swinney SNP
PEF reaches 95 per cent of schools in Scotland. I appreciate that there are challenges around the distribution mechanism, and my officials are engaged with l...
Johann Lamont (Glasgow) (Lab) Lab
Will the cabinet secretary give way?
John Swinney SNP
If Johann Lamont will forgive me, I will give way to her during my closing remarks. Those positive destinations are at a record level because of the appropr...
Iain Gray (East Lothian) (Lab) Lab
It is worth going back to what the First Minister said, when she started in office, about education being a priority. Key interventions were mentioned in her...
Liz Smith (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Con) Con
The 2015 OECD report that examined Scottish schools said some very interesting things, and it is in that context that I will address Tavish Scott’s motion, w...
John Swinney SNP
Liz Smith alights on a point that I simply find difficult to comprehend about the Conservative’s stance. The Conservatives have long argued—I respect their p...
Liz Smith Con
Yes, I absolutely will, cabinet secretary. That is the same question that you asked in the previous debate, which I answered. I fundamentally believe in a co...
Ross Greer (West Scotland) (Green) Green
Like colleagues, I am grateful to Tavish Scott for bringing a debate on education before Parliament this afternoon. It is a continuing frustration for many ...
Liam McArthur (Orkney Islands) (LD) LD
Four years ago, like Liz Smith, I was a member of this Parliament’s Education and Culture Committee. Since then, the committee has gained in skills what, in ...
Jenny Gilruth (Mid Fife and Glenrothes) (SNP) SNP
I was going to start by saying that, perhaps for the first time in his life, Tavish Scott is right. However, I found his speech rather depressing. Nonetheles...
Oliver Mundell (Dumfriesshire) (Con) Con
Will the member take an intervention?
Jenny Gilruth SNP
I will in a second. Although all teachers should have a baseline understanding of ASN from either their postgraduate or BEd qualifications, all young people...
Oliver Mundell Con
Will Ms Gilruth clarify when the issue of additional support needs was suddenly bumped up the Government’s agenda? Why has it taken until today for it to rec...
Jenny Gilruth SNP
I do not accept Oliver Mundell’s point. The Education and Skills Committee has already carried out an inquiry into the issue, so I am not sure why he thinks ...
Alison Harris (Central Scotland) (Con) Con
Here we are again. We are only two weeks into the month of May, and this is the second debate on education to have been led by Opposition parties in those 14...
Jenny Gilruth SNP
Will the member take an intervention?
Alison Harris Con
No. I am sorry. I have only four minutes. That is approximately a 75 per cent drop, which is incredible. However, when faced with those facts, the SNP rever...
Jenny Gilruth SNP
Taking modern languages is no longer compulsory to S4.
Alison Harris Con
I am sorry—could you please be quiet, Ms Gilruth? I am not taking interjections from you. We have heard the First Minister refuse to answer questions on sub...
Johann Lamont (Glasgow) (Lab) Lab
I welcome the opportunity to participate in this debate. Anybody who knows me knows that, at my very core, I want to build consensus. I want people to agree ...