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Meeting of the Parliament 15 May 2019

15 May 2019 · S5 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Education
Gilruth, Jenny SNP Mid Fife and Glenrothes Watch on SPTV

I was going to start by saying that, perhaps for the first time in his life, Tavish Scott is right. However, I found his speech rather depressing. Nonetheless, his motion states that

“there is no more important investment than in the education of Scotland’s young people”.

They are the future of this country—on that point, he is right—and, unless we have an education system that ensures that they all have the same opportunities to succeed in life, irrespective of which party is in Government, we will all have failed them.

Today’s motion questions the Government’s focus, mentioning its

“policies, staff conditions, recruitment and retention, or the means of measurement of Scottish education.”

I do not want to be the pupil who blames the question, but a bit more focus and a full debate might have allowed us to make more progress today.

I am sure that, as the cabinet secretary said, we all welcome the recently agreed teachers’ pay settlement. The enhanced pay deal means that an unpromoted teacher will now earn more than £41,000 a year. The deal means that we avoided industrial action and that our children’s education did not suffer, and it also secured a commitment to tackle workload, to support teacher professional development and to enhance leadership.

On the subject of workload, I recall that, when the original pay deal was rejected, I was in a pub with two of my good friends and former teaching colleagues, both of whom had voted to accept that deal. Neither is an SNP voter. What can I say? I attract such people. However, both were of the view that the difficulty with the deal was not just the money that was on the table; their growing concern was about their workload in relation to children with additional support needs. For that reason, I very much welcome the fact that the Government’s amendment contains a commitment to review the use of co-ordinated support plans. We know that additional support needs are increasing and that that is partly because we now have a system that is better equipped to identify them.

In the same item of business

The Deputy Presiding Officer (Christine Grahame) SNP
The next item of business is a debate on motion S5M-17280, in the name of Tavish Scott, on education. 15:49
Tavish Scott (Shetland Islands) (LD) LD
We are debating education on the 20th anniversary of the Scottish Parliament, after 12 years of Scottish National Party Government and four years on from the...
The Deputy First Minister and Cabinet Secretary for Education and Skills (John Swinney) SNP
Let me begin by setting out the areas on which I agree with Tavish Scott. I agree that education is the central purpose of this Government. It is the purpose...
Iain Gray (East Lothian) (Lab) Lab
Will the cabinet secretary give way?
John Swinney SNP
I ask Mr Gray to forgive me. We also see funding being targeted directly to individual schools through pupil equity funding. I hear the criticisms that Mr S...
Oliver Mundell (Dumfriesshire) (Con) Con
Will the cabinet secretary give way?
John Swinney SNP
I had better give way to Mr Gray first.
Iain Gray Lab
Mr Swinney must know that Universities Scotland tells us that its funding is 11 per cent lower than it was just a few years ago. How can what he has just sai...
John Swinney SNP
It is true because rising levels of total resource are going into the university sector. I will now give way to Mr Mundell.
Oliver Mundell Con
I hear what the cabinet secretary says about pupil equity funding. Does he recognise that there is still a problem for small schools in my constituency, many...
John Swinney SNP
PEF reaches 95 per cent of schools in Scotland. I appreciate that there are challenges around the distribution mechanism, and my officials are engaged with l...
Johann Lamont (Glasgow) (Lab) Lab
Will the cabinet secretary give way?
John Swinney SNP
If Johann Lamont will forgive me, I will give way to her during my closing remarks. Those positive destinations are at a record level because of the appropr...
Iain Gray (East Lothian) (Lab) Lab
It is worth going back to what the First Minister said, when she started in office, about education being a priority. Key interventions were mentioned in her...
Liz Smith (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Con) Con
The 2015 OECD report that examined Scottish schools said some very interesting things, and it is in that context that I will address Tavish Scott’s motion, w...
John Swinney SNP
Liz Smith alights on a point that I simply find difficult to comprehend about the Conservative’s stance. The Conservatives have long argued—I respect their p...
Liz Smith Con
Yes, I absolutely will, cabinet secretary. That is the same question that you asked in the previous debate, which I answered. I fundamentally believe in a co...
Ross Greer (West Scotland) (Green) Green
Like colleagues, I am grateful to Tavish Scott for bringing a debate on education before Parliament this afternoon. It is a continuing frustration for many ...
Liam McArthur (Orkney Islands) (LD) LD
Four years ago, like Liz Smith, I was a member of this Parliament’s Education and Culture Committee. Since then, the committee has gained in skills what, in ...
Jenny Gilruth (Mid Fife and Glenrothes) (SNP) SNP
I was going to start by saying that, perhaps for the first time in his life, Tavish Scott is right. However, I found his speech rather depressing. Nonetheles...
Oliver Mundell (Dumfriesshire) (Con) Con
Will the member take an intervention?
Jenny Gilruth SNP
I will in a second. Although all teachers should have a baseline understanding of ASN from either their postgraduate or BEd qualifications, all young people...
Oliver Mundell Con
Will Ms Gilruth clarify when the issue of additional support needs was suddenly bumped up the Government’s agenda? Why has it taken until today for it to rec...
Jenny Gilruth SNP
I do not accept Oliver Mundell’s point. The Education and Skills Committee has already carried out an inquiry into the issue, so I am not sure why he thinks ...
Alison Harris (Central Scotland) (Con) Con
Here we are again. We are only two weeks into the month of May, and this is the second debate on education to have been led by Opposition parties in those 14...
Jenny Gilruth SNP
Will the member take an intervention?
Alison Harris Con
No. I am sorry. I have only four minutes. That is approximately a 75 per cent drop, which is incredible. However, when faced with those facts, the SNP rever...
Jenny Gilruth SNP
Taking modern languages is no longer compulsory to S4.
Alison Harris Con
I am sorry—could you please be quiet, Ms Gilruth? I am not taking interjections from you. We have heard the First Minister refuse to answer questions on sub...
Johann Lamont (Glasgow) (Lab) Lab
I welcome the opportunity to participate in this debate. Anybody who knows me knows that, at my very core, I want to build consensus. I want people to agree ...