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Meeting of the Parliament 15 May 2019

15 May 2019 · S5 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Education
Greer, Ross Green West Scotland Watch on SPTV

Like colleagues, I am grateful to Tavish Scott for bringing a debate on education before Parliament this afternoon.

It is a continuing frustration for many of us that education is rarely something that we discuss on Government time, which means that Opposition parties must use our sparse opportunities to bring up one of the most important public policy issues in Scotland.

It is important not least because education is one of the many areas where the shameful levels of inequality in our society are on display. We all believe that every young person should be given the same opportunities to succeed, but we know that that is not the case in this country. Pupils from wealthier areas are more likely to succeed, both by academic measures and in wider life outcomes, than their counterparts from more deprived communities.

Many of the underlying reasons for that lie outwith our schools and at the feet of the United Kingdom Government. Child poverty is growing again, largely because of a cruel UK welfare system that is designed to punish rather than support. However, the Scottish Government is not powerless. It has the capacity to do something genuinely transformative.

As the Greens set out last year in our paper “Level the Playing Field: Education for All”, policies such as topping up child benefit by £5 per week or extending free bus travel to young people will have a huge impact on their educational outcomes. We know that from experience elsewhere. The Government wasted the first half of this parliamentary session on an education governance bill that was destined to go nowhere. Now that that has been indefinitely shelved, there is time to do something much more meaningful.

In Scotland today, there are about 3,000 fewer teachers than there were in 2007. The challenges of recruitment and retention are disproportionately felt by schools in our most deprived communities and, in large part, are driven by issues of pay and workload. I marched with the EIS in Glasgow when it brought close to 30,000 people on to the streets for its fair pay campaign. The Greens welcome the agreement that was reached between unions, councils and the Scottish Government.

However, pay and recruitment are not the only issues. Time and again, we are told of the huge issues that face young people with additional support needs and those who are trying to provide that support. The number of pupils with identified additional support needs has risen to one in four, while the number of ASN teachers and support staff has fallen by hundreds. Now the staff census is merging additional support needs and classroom assistants into one generalised category, which makes it near impossible to get an accurate picture of the number of specialist staff who support children with additional needs.

Children with those needs have statutory rights but, for young people, their parents and carers and for schools and local authorities, the framework can be difficult to navigate. Our Education and Skills Committee has taken evidence on local councils not fully understanding what is required of them or what options are available to them.

Co-ordinated support plans are critical and they are where much of the confusion lies. The plans set out clearly what support pupils with particularly profound needs should receive. Crucially, as the only statutory plan, they are backed by recourse to the Additional Support Needs Tribunal for Scotland. We are not short of testimonials from young people and parents who have gone through experiences that are nothing short of traumatic but who, for the lack of a CSP, have had little opportunity for recourse. Although the number of pupils identified with an additional need has increased to almost 200,000, the number of CSPs has dropped to just under 2,000. That means that only 1 per cent of young people with identified additional needs have a co-ordinated support plan.

Anecdotally, it seems that, when councils do understand CSPs, they are reluctant to use them, given the resource implications. Although the anecdotal evidence is substantial, we need quite urgently to get a picture of what is going on. We have called for that in the Parliament on a number of occasions, so we welcome the Government’s commitment to review the use of CSPs. We expect the review to establish why the number of plans has fallen at the same time as the number of young people with diagnosed additional needs has grown markedly. We expect the Government to immediately follow the review with action to rectify the problem.

Addressing CSPs alone will not fix every problem in the education system, but it is the right thing to do and we have asked for it, so the Greens will vote for the amendment. It is a step forward for the rights of some of our most vulnerable young people and I am glad that the debate has given us the opportunity to take that step. I hope that the Scottish Government will recognise the need and the demand for it to go much further.

16:19  

In the same item of business

The Deputy Presiding Officer (Christine Grahame) SNP
The next item of business is a debate on motion S5M-17280, in the name of Tavish Scott, on education. 15:49
Tavish Scott (Shetland Islands) (LD) LD
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The Deputy First Minister and Cabinet Secretary for Education and Skills (John Swinney) SNP
Let me begin by setting out the areas on which I agree with Tavish Scott. I agree that education is the central purpose of this Government. It is the purpose...
Iain Gray (East Lothian) (Lab) Lab
Will the cabinet secretary give way?
John Swinney SNP
I ask Mr Gray to forgive me. We also see funding being targeted directly to individual schools through pupil equity funding. I hear the criticisms that Mr S...
Oliver Mundell (Dumfriesshire) (Con) Con
Will the cabinet secretary give way?
John Swinney SNP
I had better give way to Mr Gray first.
Iain Gray Lab
Mr Swinney must know that Universities Scotland tells us that its funding is 11 per cent lower than it was just a few years ago. How can what he has just sai...
John Swinney SNP
It is true because rising levels of total resource are going into the university sector. I will now give way to Mr Mundell.
Oliver Mundell Con
I hear what the cabinet secretary says about pupil equity funding. Does he recognise that there is still a problem for small schools in my constituency, many...
John Swinney SNP
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Johann Lamont (Glasgow) (Lab) Lab
Will the cabinet secretary give way?
John Swinney SNP
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Iain Gray (East Lothian) (Lab) Lab
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Liz Smith (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Con) Con
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John Swinney SNP
Liz Smith alights on a point that I simply find difficult to comprehend about the Conservative’s stance. The Conservatives have long argued—I respect their p...
Liz Smith Con
Yes, I absolutely will, cabinet secretary. That is the same question that you asked in the previous debate, which I answered. I fundamentally believe in a co...
Ross Greer (West Scotland) (Green) Green
Like colleagues, I am grateful to Tavish Scott for bringing a debate on education before Parliament this afternoon. It is a continuing frustration for many ...
Liam McArthur (Orkney Islands) (LD) LD
Four years ago, like Liz Smith, I was a member of this Parliament’s Education and Culture Committee. Since then, the committee has gained in skills what, in ...
Jenny Gilruth (Mid Fife and Glenrothes) (SNP) SNP
I was going to start by saying that, perhaps for the first time in his life, Tavish Scott is right. However, I found his speech rather depressing. Nonetheles...
Oliver Mundell (Dumfriesshire) (Con) Con
Will the member take an intervention?
Jenny Gilruth SNP
I will in a second. Although all teachers should have a baseline understanding of ASN from either their postgraduate or BEd qualifications, all young people...
Oliver Mundell Con
Will Ms Gilruth clarify when the issue of additional support needs was suddenly bumped up the Government’s agenda? Why has it taken until today for it to rec...
Jenny Gilruth SNP
I do not accept Oliver Mundell’s point. The Education and Skills Committee has already carried out an inquiry into the issue, so I am not sure why he thinks ...
Alison Harris (Central Scotland) (Con) Con
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Jenny Gilruth SNP
Will the member take an intervention?
Alison Harris Con
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Alison Harris Con
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Johann Lamont (Glasgow) (Lab) Lab
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