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Meeting of the Parliament 14 May 2019

14 May 2019 · S5 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
The Place Principle
Rowley, Alex Lab Mid Scotland and Fife Watch on SPTV

This morning, I read the weekly briefing from Unison Scotland, my trade union, and I noted that, on this debate, it says the following:

“The place principle states ‘A more joined-up, collaborative, and participative approach to services, land and buildings, across all sectors within a place, enables better outcomes for everyone and increased opportunities for people and communities to shape their own lives.’”

It goes on to say that

“These are fine words, very fine words—indeed all they lack”

are words in favour of

“the delights of motherhood”

and apple pie. In other words, what is not to like about the place principle?

However, Unison then makes the point that

“Principles and budgets are however different things. It’s in the detail of the latter that the seriousness of the former is to be judged. An examination of the public realm in Scotland would surely be the starting point. That the ‘efficiencies’ and ‘improvements’ of recent years that have seen so many towns and villages lose Police Stations, libraries and public toilets as well as other”

reductions in public services

“might suggest that fine words are being preached here, but not practiced.”

That is the view of Scotland’s largest public services trade union, and it is in line with our amendment. I say to the Government and to all MSPs that if they fail to recognise the impact of austerity on local services and communities, they are walking around with blinkers on when it comes to those issues.

For example, last week I was contacted by a lady from Lochgelly who has mobility problems and uses a mobility scooter. She said that although the good weather is coming in, the state of some of the pavements makes it very difficult for her to get around on her mobility scooter. That demonstrates that wellbeing, quality of life, physical and mental health, social and cultural life and sustainability are influenced by the quality and design of the places in which we live. That lady from Lochgelly is entitled to all those things. However, to move from rhetoric to the reality, I say that the need for action on the state of the pavements is being halted by cuts to council budgets. The council is struggling to fill in the potholes, never mind fix the pavements.

Let us not live in a bubble in Parliament; the reality is that in every community across Scotland, such issues exist. We cannot gloss over the impacts of austerity.

In the same item of business

The Deputy Presiding Officer (Christine Grahame) SNP
The next item of business is a debate on motion S5M-17265, in the name of Aileen Campbell, on adopting the place principle. 15:28
The Cabinet Secretary for Communities and Local Government (Aileen Campbell) SNP
I am delighted to open this debate on the place principle. Fundamentally, it is an approach that seeks to ensure that we, as policy makers, make better decis...
Neil Findlay (Lothian) (Lab) Lab
Back in the real world, communities are experiencing cuts to youth work and cuts to environmental services, roads are in a poorer condition, places are more ...
Aileen Campbell SNP
Back in the real world, we have the collaboration and co-operation of COSLA and a host of different partners—not forgetting, most importantly, communities th...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
Before we hear Mr Rowley’s intervention, I say to members that there is time for interventions—you will get your time back.
Alex Rowley Lab
I do not know whether the cabinet secretary is trying to rewrite the Christie report, because one of its key messages was about preventative spend: it said t...
Aileen Campbell SNP
I mentioned the need for a “preventative” approach. I am certainly not seeking to rewrite the Christie report. I totally subscribe to the Christie principles...
Alex Rowley (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Lab) Lab
This morning, I read the weekly briefing from Unison Scotland, my trade union, and I noted that, on this debate, it says the following: “The place principle...
Stuart McMillan (Greenock and Inverclyde) (SNP) SNP
Is Mr Rowley suggesting that potholes have happened only under austerity?
Alex Rowley Lab
I am saying that we need look only at the evidence of the cuts to council budgets over the past decade to see the impact that austerity is having and, theref...
Aileen Campbell SNP
The debate is about trying to make better use of the resources and public funds that we have in order to make good on the Christie principles and on the noti...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
Before you respond, Mr Rowley, I remind the cabinet secretary not to use the term “you” and to speak through the chair, please.
Aileen Campbell SNP
I apologise, Presiding Officer.
Alex Rowley Lab
The Labour manifesto “For the Many Not the Few” sets out a plan for £70 billion-odd of investment coming to Scotland over the next decade. That is the kind o...
Michelle Ballantyne (South Scotland) (Con) Con
In 2012, when I was appointed to my local council’s planning committee, I was given a publication entitled “Placemaking and design” which, I was informed, co...
Andy Wightman (Lothian) (Green) Green
I thank the Scottish Government for bringing the topic to debate this afternoon. The Greens are happy to support the motion, and we support the place princip...
Neil Findlay Lab
How many of the people who come to Mr Wightman’s surgeries, or email or write to him, talk about the cuts to local government? Is it a significant part of hi...
Andy Wightman Green
Yes. People come to me talking about the pressures faced by local government and the cuts that are taking place across the country. I agree—it is in a bad pl...
James Dornan (Glasgow Cathcart) (SNP) SNP
It is a pleasure to speak in the debate, which, judging by the contributions so far, will be fairly positive. As every member will agree, Scotland’s communi...
Gordon Lindhurst (Lothian) (Con) Con
I, too, welcome the opportunity to speak in the debate. Our happiness and wellbeing depend to a great extent on the place in which we live. We should have p...
Bob Doris (Glasgow Maryhill and Springburn) (SNP) SNP
I will highlight excellent community-led work that is taking place in my constituency. It has been a privilege to support such efforts in the communities tha...
Neil Findlay (Lothian) (Lab) Lab
I am sure that many of us love the places that we live in; we are connected to them and to the people who live around us. Across Scotland, communities have o...
Stuart McMillan (Greenock and Inverclyde) (SNP) SNP
I welcome this debate and the dialogue on the place principle. Listening to some colleagues in the chamber, one would think that life was perfect before the ...
Jeremy Balfour (Lothian) (Con) Con
We all agree that the place principle is a good one but that it probably needs more work in practice. As a councillor in Edinburgh, I was very aware of the s...
Stuart McMillan SNP
If Mr Balfour reads the Official Report, he will see that I said that there is still a journey to be undertaken but I welcome the progress that has been made.
Jeremy Balfour Con
I think the difference is that I am a pessimist and Stuart McMillan is an optimist. I fully relate to what he said. Something that we all—in both the Scot...
Willie Coffey (Kilmarnock and Irvine Valley) (SNP) SNP
There is good news from East Ayrshire, at least, which I hope might bring a smile to the faces of some of the gloomsters in the chamber. When I read the bri...
Angela Constance (Almond Valley) (SNP) SNP
In advance of today’s debate, I took the time to read the Scottish Government’s three-page factsheet that explains the place principle. The nub of it is that...
Alex Rowley Lab
I have made it clear that there is nothing in the Government’s motion that I could disagree with. However, sometimes there is a sense that the Parliament is ...
Willie Coffey SNP
I invite Alex Rowley and his colleagues to come down to East Ayrshire and see the process working in practice. He would be very welcome to come and see it.