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Meeting of the Parliament 04 April 2019

04 Apr 2019 · S5 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Transport (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
Finnie, John Green Highlands and Islands Watch on SPTV

As colleagues have done, I thank the people who have contributed to the bill—the witnesses, our staff and the many organisations that have provided briefings. At decision time, the Scottish Green Party will support the general principles of the bill.

A transport bill should be seen as an opportunity and should provide a longer-term vision. It should provide policy coherence not just within but beyond the transport portfolio. However, I get no sense that the Scottish Government is crusading in that regard.

The cabinet secretary said that the bill is “aspirational” and he talked about a “transport jigsaw”, but I prefer the approach of the Poverty Alliance Scotland and Oxfam, which posed the question what would an ideal transport system look like. Some of the provisions in the bill would clearly contribute to an ideal transport system, but we are way short of achieving such a system. This is a piecemeal bill that is conservative in outlook and will be amended.

The cabinet secretary mentioned a new national transport strategy, which is welcome. I look forward to seeing it: I am sure that there will be a lot of interesting contributions in it. Transform Scotland’s submission on the bill talked about the opportunities to address, for example, congestion, which all my colleagues acknowledge is an issue. What does not affect congestion is the means of propulsion of a vehicle. Everyone was enthusiastic about replacing petrol with diesel, and then replacing diesel with electricity, but that is not the answer.

In the bill’s policy memorandum, the Scottish Government says that

“Transport is a key facilitator for societal improvement and cohesion, therefore the Bill will have a positive impact on the Scottish Government’s purpose to create a more successful country”.

I say, on the basis of the bill that is in front of us, that that is a significant leap, because far too many of our transport policies reinforce the status quo. Under the bill, the market will still prevail when it comes to bus transport. It will be a case of private profit and public penalty, with hard-pressed local authorities being able to pick up only the scraps.

Road building is the transport priority of the Scottish Government and other parties. That is part of the on-going concession to the motoring lobby. If we concede to the motoring lobby, we ignore the needs of the 30 per cent of households who do not own a motor car. We know from the Scottish Government’s facts and figures in the policy memorandum that buses contribute about 5 per cent of road transport emissions, whereas cars contribute 60 per cent of them. We know, too, that three quarters of public transport journeys in Scotland are undertaken by bus.

Much is made of Lothian Buses. I am delighted that it now has its 100-seat buses on the go. Because the company is publicly owned and run, the beneficiaries of Lothian Buses are the residents of the city of Edinburgh and the surrounding areas. Buses are vital in enabling people to go to work, school, college, hospital or the shops, or to visit friends and family. As has been said, people face cuts to routes, poor services and fare hikes.

Patronage has been declining for decades, so it would be entirely wrong to lay all the blame at the door of the present Government. Bus use has been going down since the 1960s, and mention has been made of many of the reasons for that. Transport Scotland—that was a Freudian slip; Transform Scotland cites the KPMG research on the decline in bus patronage, which talks about congestion and its impact on journey times, reliability and cost; the impact of parking; lifestyle changes, which have been mentioned by others; the relatively low cost of car use; and the decline in revenue for the bus industry from the Government and the rising costs.

Bus priority measures and low-emission zones would help. There has been negative talk about low-emission zones, but there has been little talk of the 40,000 lives in the UK that are lost every year as a direct result of poor air quality. Poor air quality is not a problem only in the centres of our major cities. I constantly remind residents in Inverness, where I live, that one of its streets has such poor air quality that it has to be constantly monitored. Therefore, it is clear that the idea of encouraging more people to drive into towns and cities does not make sense. Progressive countries are seeking to have vibrant town centres in which the motor car does not rule, and in which people can live, work and enjoy themselves.

When it comes to the workplace parking levy proposal, there is a danger that we could get bogged down in discussing hypotheticals. We have already heard rank hypocrisy from two of the parties in Parliament on the issue, and I dare say that that is likely to continue.

The example of bus use in Edinburgh is a very fine model. Edinburgh bucks the trend in many respects—it does so not just in relation to ownership, innovation and the range of routes and services that are available, but in relation to the nature of the passengers who use the buses. In other parts of Scotland, buses are used by poor people and cars are used by people who have money. That is why assistance has been given to the motoring industry for decade after decade, at the expense of the bus industry. We know that, in Edinburgh, a wide range of people use the bus network.

The Poverty Alliance and Oxfam talk about the critical role that transport plays in the lives of people who experience poverty, both in supporting their ability to increase their income and in representing a significant and important cost. Affordability is important.

The bill has many positive aspects, but it lacks ambition. The Scottish Green Party will seek to inject some ambition at stage 2.

15:38  

In the same item of business

The Presiding Officer (Ken Macintosh) NPA
The next item of business is a debate on motion S5M-16747, in the name of Michael Matheson, on stage 1 of the Transport (Scotland) Bill. 14:54
The Cabinet Secretary for Transport, Infrastructure and Connectivity (Michael Matheson) SNP
I welcome the opportunity to consider the stage 1 report on the Transport (Scotland) Bill, which is an ambitious and broad piece of legislation covering a wi...
Mike Rumbles (North East Scotland) (LD) LD
I am pleased that the cabinet secretary is willing to look at the issue of local authorities running commercially profitable routes, but will he outline what...
Michael Matheson SNP
The member will be aware that there are concerns in the bus industry about the impact that that could have on existing bus operators, as well as about the co...
John Mason (Glasgow Shettleston) (SNP) SNP
There are quite a lot of streets in our cities where there is not enough room for everything that we would like to do. Does the cabinet secretary accept that...
Michael Matheson SNP
I recognise that. Some city streets are too narrow for vehicles to park on both sides of the road and, at the same time, for vehicles to pass through. It is ...
Sandra White (Glasgow Kelvin) (SNP) SNP
If, as the bill states, exemptions to parking prohibitions are to be made by local authorities, will they consult their local communities to come to an agree...
Michael Matheson SNP
There is a provision for local authorities to undertake that process, which would include consulting local communities and other important partners such as e...
The Presiding Officer NPA
I call Edward Mountain to open on behalf of the Rural Economy and Connectivity Committee. 15:07
Edward Mountain (Highlands and Islands) (Con) Con
I am pleased to contribute to the debate in my capacity as the convener of the Rural Economy and Connectivity Committee. The committee’s stage 1 report on t...
Jamie Greene (West Scotland) (Con) Con
It is a pleasure to open the stage 1 debate on behalf of the Scottish Conservatives. I add my thanks to the clerks and my fellow committee members, many of w...
John Mason SNP
Will the member give way?
Jamie Greene Con
I am sorry, but I have very limited time. The best approach would be to empower local authorities to ban the practice of pavement parking where it needs to ...
John Finnie (Highlands and Islands) (Green) Green
Will Jamie Greene take an intervention on that point?
Jamie Greene Con
I will not. There is a lot to be positive about in the bill. We will take a constructive approach to amendments. However, there are several elements of the...
Colin Smyth (South Scotland) (Lab) Lab
I ask members to imagine a transport system in which our transport agencies have the powers properly to regulate public transport in their areas and to deliv...
Stewart Stevenson (Banffshire and Buchan Coast) (SNP) SNP
The member describes falling patronage and so on. Can he give us the equivalent numbers for bus patronage and Government support in Wales, where Labour is in...
Colin Smyth Lab
I can tell Mr Stevenson that there has been an 8 per cent fall in Scotland in the past few years, whereas the rate was 5 per cent in the rest of the United K...
John Finnie Green
Was that the member’s position when his councillor colleagues in Glasgow City Council and City of Edinburgh Council had such a proposal as part of their loca...
Colin Smyth Lab
The Parliament needs to make a decision first, because one of my deep concerns is that, under the proposals, if a car parking tax was introduced by City of E...
John Finnie (Highlands and Islands) (Green) Green
As colleagues have done, I thank the people who have contributed to the bill—the witnesses, our staff and the many organisations that have provided briefings...
Mike Rumbles (North East Scotland) (LD) LD
I state at the outset that I believe that the Transport (Scotland) Bill is important, and the Liberal Democrats will support it at decision time. The Govern...
John Finnie Green
Will Mike Rumbles give way?
Mike Rumbles LD
Oh, come on! I am only 30 seconds into my speech. We are told by the Government that the issue will be considered at stage 2, even if it was not considered...
Mike Rumbles LD
I will be more than happy to give way, but not just yet. I turn first to low-emission zones. If we are serious about creating effective low-emission zones i...
John Finnie Green
Will the member give way on that point?
Mike Rumbles LD
I will not, just now. The bill should be a great opportunity to tackle decline in bus use. Unfortunately, I do not agree with the cabinet secretary that the...
Jamie Greene Con
Is it therefore Lib Dem policy that there should be no exemptions to the ban on double parking? If so, how on earth is Mike Rumbles expecting to get in and o...
Mike Rumbles LD
I am talking about obstruction of pavements. In our report, the committee makes it clear that it is concerned that the “20 minutes for loading and unloadin...
Michael Matheson SNP
Can Mike Rumbles clarify whether his view is that there should be no exemption at all or that the 20-minute period is too long for the exemption?