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Meeting of the Parliament 04 April 2019

04 Apr 2019 · S5 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Transport (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

I can tell Mr Stevenson that there has been an 8 per cent fall in Scotland in the past few years, whereas the rate was 5 per cent in the rest of the United Kingdom. The important point is that the bill will do nothing whatever to reverse that decline. Mr Stevenson agrees with that point, because it is in the REC Committee report to which he agreed.

Another factor that has contributed to the fall in bus use has been the cuts to council budgets in recent years, which are leading to yet more reductions in support for bus services in Scotland. The bill will do nothing to reverse the decline in bus passenger numbers, and it will do nothing to drive up standards in the sector or strengthen passengers’ rights and workers’ terms and conditions.

The bill will not improve affordability or tackle transport poverty. It will not properly promote community transport. Crucially, it will not lift the ban that Margaret Thatcher introduced, which prevents local authorities from competing to run bus services. The limited measures on franchising and partnership are welcome, but we need radical changes to how buses are run in Scotland, to protect the lifeline services that are currently being axed and to stop the big bus companies simply cherry picking the most profitable routes.

That means allowing our local councils to set up and run local bus companies, to meet their communities’ needs, without the restrictions that the bill will place on them. It means ensuring that changes to bus routes will be allowed only after proper consultation with passengers and with the agreement of the traffic commissioner for Scotland.

It means putting a stop to the race to the bottom in how staff are treated. If a company wants to receive public money for delivering services, it should pay its workers a decent wage and deliver proper terms and conditions.

It means ending rip-off fares. It means not just setting up an advisory board on smart ticketing, but giving that board a legally binding remit to deliver a single ticketing scheme across Scotland and across transport modes.

It means properly investing in our buses, not imposing a £230 million real-terms cut in the council budgets that are needed to make that investment, as the Government’s recent budget does. If we believe, as Labour does, that public transport is a public service, and if we really want to improve our environment, we need to properly fund public transport.

What will not protect our environment are the proposals for a so-called workplace parking levy, particularly given that the proposals are an afterthought and are being introduced at stage 2.

In the same item of business

The Presiding Officer (Ken Macintosh) NPA
The next item of business is a debate on motion S5M-16747, in the name of Michael Matheson, on stage 1 of the Transport (Scotland) Bill. 14:54
The Cabinet Secretary for Transport, Infrastructure and Connectivity (Michael Matheson) SNP
I welcome the opportunity to consider the stage 1 report on the Transport (Scotland) Bill, which is an ambitious and broad piece of legislation covering a wi...
Mike Rumbles (North East Scotland) (LD) LD
I am pleased that the cabinet secretary is willing to look at the issue of local authorities running commercially profitable routes, but will he outline what...
Michael Matheson SNP
The member will be aware that there are concerns in the bus industry about the impact that that could have on existing bus operators, as well as about the co...
John Mason (Glasgow Shettleston) (SNP) SNP
There are quite a lot of streets in our cities where there is not enough room for everything that we would like to do. Does the cabinet secretary accept that...
Michael Matheson SNP
I recognise that. Some city streets are too narrow for vehicles to park on both sides of the road and, at the same time, for vehicles to pass through. It is ...
Sandra White (Glasgow Kelvin) (SNP) SNP
If, as the bill states, exemptions to parking prohibitions are to be made by local authorities, will they consult their local communities to come to an agree...
Michael Matheson SNP
There is a provision for local authorities to undertake that process, which would include consulting local communities and other important partners such as e...
The Presiding Officer NPA
I call Edward Mountain to open on behalf of the Rural Economy and Connectivity Committee. 15:07
Edward Mountain (Highlands and Islands) (Con) Con
I am pleased to contribute to the debate in my capacity as the convener of the Rural Economy and Connectivity Committee. The committee’s stage 1 report on t...
Jamie Greene (West Scotland) (Con) Con
It is a pleasure to open the stage 1 debate on behalf of the Scottish Conservatives. I add my thanks to the clerks and my fellow committee members, many of w...
John Mason SNP
Will the member give way?
Jamie Greene Con
I am sorry, but I have very limited time. The best approach would be to empower local authorities to ban the practice of pavement parking where it needs to ...
John Finnie (Highlands and Islands) (Green) Green
Will Jamie Greene take an intervention on that point?
Jamie Greene Con
I will not. There is a lot to be positive about in the bill. We will take a constructive approach to amendments. However, there are several elements of the...
Colin Smyth (South Scotland) (Lab) Lab
I ask members to imagine a transport system in which our transport agencies have the powers properly to regulate public transport in their areas and to deliv...
Stewart Stevenson (Banffshire and Buchan Coast) (SNP) SNP
The member describes falling patronage and so on. Can he give us the equivalent numbers for bus patronage and Government support in Wales, where Labour is in...
Colin Smyth Lab
I can tell Mr Stevenson that there has been an 8 per cent fall in Scotland in the past few years, whereas the rate was 5 per cent in the rest of the United K...
John Finnie Green
Was that the member’s position when his councillor colleagues in Glasgow City Council and City of Edinburgh Council had such a proposal as part of their loca...
Colin Smyth Lab
The Parliament needs to make a decision first, because one of my deep concerns is that, under the proposals, if a car parking tax was introduced by City of E...
John Finnie (Highlands and Islands) (Green) Green
As colleagues have done, I thank the people who have contributed to the bill—the witnesses, our staff and the many organisations that have provided briefings...
Mike Rumbles (North East Scotland) (LD) LD
I state at the outset that I believe that the Transport (Scotland) Bill is important, and the Liberal Democrats will support it at decision time. The Govern...
John Finnie Green
Will Mike Rumbles give way?
Mike Rumbles LD
Oh, come on! I am only 30 seconds into my speech. We are told by the Government that the issue will be considered at stage 2, even if it was not considered...
Mike Rumbles LD
I will be more than happy to give way, but not just yet. I turn first to low-emission zones. If we are serious about creating effective low-emission zones i...
John Finnie Green
Will the member give way on that point?
Mike Rumbles LD
I will not, just now. The bill should be a great opportunity to tackle decline in bus use. Unfortunately, I do not agree with the cabinet secretary that the...
Jamie Greene Con
Is it therefore Lib Dem policy that there should be no exemptions to the ban on double parking? If so, how on earth is Mike Rumbles expecting to get in and o...
Mike Rumbles LD
I am talking about obstruction of pavements. In our report, the committee makes it clear that it is concerned that the “20 minutes for loading and unloadin...
Michael Matheson SNP
Can Mike Rumbles clarify whether his view is that there should be no exemption at all or that the 20-minute period is too long for the exemption?