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Meeting of the Parliament 01 May 2019

01 May 2019 · S5 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Subject Choice
Smith, Liz Con Mid Scotland and Fife Watch on SPTV

I open the debate by reiterating our belief on the Conservative benches that Scottish education should be based on excellence and equity and that it can once again lead the world in delivering the highest standards. However, that will not happen until the Scottish Government changes its focus.

Scottish education was so admired around the world because there was universal understanding that good schooling was the key that could unlock so many different opportunities in life, never mind in employment. There was an expectation that everyone, irrespective of class or background and whatever type of school they attended, would have a good grounding in the basic skills and that poor standards would never be tolerated. Teaching was a highly valued profession, leadership was generally strong and good schools were seen as the central component to build strong communities.

In short, many schools in Scotland were synonymous with excellence, and they did not need endless edicts from local or central government telling them what to do, because aspiration was ingrained in their DNA. The Scottish Government knows that it can no longer make that claim of all-round excellence.

This Parliament has spoken many times about the evidence that we should be doing a whole lot better if we are to match up to our full potential, as identified by the Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development in its most recent report on Scottish schools. It is our contention that we will not be able to unlock fully the potential that is undoubtedly there until we address the fundamental weaknesses in delivery of the curriculum for excellence, in relation to which the question of subject choice has become one of the most significant and pressing issues. It is causing considerable worry to parents, teachers and young people, and, of course, to the Parliament’s Education and Skills Committee.

One of the other great attributes of Scottish education was the breadth of the curriculum, which was maintained not just in early secondary schooling, but in later secondary schooling, too. Indeed, that breadth, whereby young people could acquire national qualifications in a balanced group of science, social science and language subjects, as well as in English and maths, meant that the Scottish system was seen as superior to the A-level system in England and to several other curricular systems elsewhere.

At its inception, 15 years ago, the intention of the curriculum for excellence was to build on that success, but also, rightly, to recognise that, in the modern world, society required a greater focus on skills and personal and social responsibility than had previously been the case. In other words, education should not solely be about knowledge-based learning in the abstract; it should also be about how that knowledge is applied. Young people should have as great an understanding of why they are learning something as they should of what they are learning. As such, one of the intentions of the curriculum for excellence was to widen subject choice, not to reduce it. In 2008, the Scottish Government’s curriculum guidance made that principle abundantly clear.

No one could disagree that young people should understand why they are learning a particular subject or learning additional skills; the trouble is that the curriculum has completely lost its balance. As Professor Lindsay Paterson said in a recent article in The Sunday Times, the focus on core knowledge has been diminished. Our hard-pressed teachers have been so busy measuring “experiences and outcomes” and wading through the thousands of bits of paper that the education agencies have issued that they have had less time to get on with teaching what most people recognise as the core curriculum.

In the context of subject choice, the facts of what has happened have become increasingly clear over the past two years and the details are currently before the Education and Skills Committee. That said, concerns about the narrowing of subject choice were raised by Aberdeenshire schools as far back as 2013 and again in this Parliament by the Conservatives in 2015.

As the Parliament knows, the norm was for Scottish schools to offer eight subjects in secondary 4 and the subject choice column structure in the vast majority of schools was designed to do just that. We now know—thanks largely to the work of Professor Jim Scott—that the majority of schools in Scotland are offering only six subjects in S4. Those schools will undoubtedly offer other courses, too, many of which have a good pupil uptake and are highly educationally beneficial, but the fact remains that they are offering fewer core subject choices than they were previously. I will address the impact of that shortly.

In the same item of business

The Deputy Presiding Officer (Linda Fabiani) SNP
The next item of business is a debate on motion S5M-17091, in the name of Liz Smith, on subject choice. 14:43
Liz Smith (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Con) Con
I open the debate by reiterating our belief on the Conservative benches that Scottish education should be based on excellence and equity and that it can once...
The Deputy First Minister and Cabinet Secretary for Education and Skills (John Swinney) SNP
Does Liz Smith not understand the inherent contradiction in that last remark? At the same time as welcoming the fact that other curriculum choices and offeri...
Liz Smith Con
There is no contradiction whatever in what I said because, as the Education and Skills Committee was reminded this morning, the critical issue is not about t...
John Mason (Glasgow Shettleston) (SNP) SNP
I am slightly puzzled. Liz Smith seems to be arguing, on the one hand, for more consistency at a national level and, on the other, for more autonomy for indi...
Liz Smith Con
Yes. The fundamental principles of the curriculum for excellence have not allowed the two to match up. Of course, we need consistency and core curricular sub...
John Swinney SNP
I do not understand a fundamental point about the Conservatives’ position. I agree with the Conservatives that schools should have much more discretion over ...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
I can allow you a little extra time, Ms Smith.
Liz Smith Con
I will give the cabinet secretary the example that Terry Lanagan of the Association of Directors of Education in Scotland gave us. Tavish Scott asked if it w...
John Swinney SNP
Will the member take an intervention?
Liz Smith Con
Sorry, no—I have taken quite a lot of interventions. There is a significant issue for the traditional value and ethos of the Scottish curriculum—namely, hav...
The Deputy First Minister and Cabinet Secretary for Education and Skills (John Swinney) SNP
The purpose of curriculum for excellence is to provide young people with the skills, knowledge and experiences that will prepare them for life beyond school ...
Liz Smith Con
It is not all about numbers, but about the nature of the choices that young people are afforded. That is the key point.
John Swinney SNP
To be technically correct, there is a relationship between the numbers and the choices—of course there must be. I am about to come on to the question of the ...
Oliver Mundell (Dumfriesshire) (Con) Con
I understand the point that the cabinet secretary is trying to make, but does he recognise that if pupils drop subjects in S4—particularly modern languages a...
John Swinney SNP
I do not accept that that is pupils’ experience. Mr Mundell’s question suggests that when a young person leaves the broad general education phase they dispen...
John Swinney SNP
If Liz Smith will forgive me, I will not take her intervention, because I still have a lot of ground to cover. Focusing on the numbers of qualifications tha...
Oliver Mundell Con
Will the cabinet secretary take an intervention?
John Swinney SNP
If Mr Mundell will forgive me, I will not. I still have some detail to cover. Work-based provision for young people in the senior phase is growing. The prop...
Johann Lamont (Glasgow) (Lab) Lab
Will the cabinet secretary confirm that he will do an analysis of what those positive destinations are? Far too often, they consist of insecure work, zero-ho...
John Swinney SNP
I will be very happy to explore the substance behind the figures, but we should recognise the fact that young people are leaving school with more qualificati...
Oliver Mundell Con
You have dismissed it out of hand.
John Swinney SNP
No. It has been disputed by academics other than those from whom the committee has heard. It has been disputed not just by me, but by other academics. The c...
Ross Greer (West Scotland) (Green) Green
Will the cabinet secretary take an intervention on that point?
John Swinney SNP
I will.
The Deputy Presiding Officer (Christine Grahame) SNP
It will have to be brief. You have got only about a minute more, cabinet secretary.
Ross Greer Green
I will be very brief. Does the cabinet secretary accept that if we spent more time debating education in Government time, the issue, which has been in the pu...
John Swinney SNP
What I cannot understand is why, given that we have an Education and Skills Committee process under way that is supposed take in excess of 20 hours to consid...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
Cabinet secretary—Interruption. I am losing my voice.
John Swinney SNP
I move amendment S5M-17091.4, to leave out from “the delivery of the new curriculum” to end and insert: “it is necessary to be assured that this is the case...