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Meeting of the Parliament 04 April 2019

04 Apr 2019 · S5 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Transport (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

I welcome the opportunity to consider the stage 1 report on the Transport (Scotland) Bill, which is an ambitious and broad piece of legislation covering a wide range of issues. The bill aims to help develop a cleaner, smarter and more accessible system for the travelling public across Scotland, and it will empower local transport authorities and others to improve journeys for the travelling public.

Members who have monitored the bill’s progress will know that it is wide ranging and aspirational but also technical and complex in some areas. Such a mix can make scrutiny challenging. I commend the Rural Economy and Connectivity Committee for the diligent way that it has undertaken stage 1 consideration. The extensive range of voices and viewpoints from across civic Scotland that the committee has heard from is testament to its accommodating and meticulous approach to the matter.

I welcome the lead committee’s support for the general principles of the bill and its recommendation to Parliament that it should agree to those general principles. I look forward to saying more in the course of the debate about the Government’s thinking on some of the matters that are raised in the report.

The bill’s provisions range from measures to improve bus patronage, including smart ticketing, to improving air quality in our cities, increasing the safety and efficiency of road works and addressing parking issues. It also makes some necessary technical improvements to specific areas. For example, it will ensure more appropriate financial flexibility and governance arrangements for some public bodies. In developing the bill, a collaborative approach has been taken to ensure that its measures are informed by those that they will affect. We fully intend that that engagement will continue as we develop the associated regulations.

More widely, it is crucial that we see the bigger picture and how the bill fits into it. The legislation is part of a broader transport jigsaw and must be viewed in that wider context. Although matters such as low-emission zones, an improved framework for our bus services and prohibitions on irresponsible parking will benefit many, they should not be seen in isolation. In addition to the bill, a host of other non-legislative work is going on across my portfolio to drive improvement, not least of which is our review of the national transport strategy. That wide-ranging review has involved extensive public engagement across Scotland. It is forward looking and will provide the high-level strategic and policy framework within which the measures in the bill will play out. I expect to issue a draft of the new strategy for consultation later this year.

We anticipate that the strategy will set the context for any future consideration of legislation, beyond the current measures proposed in the bill. The need for such a wider strategic perspective is something that the lead committee has raised in relation to low-emission zones. We have always been clear that LEZs have the potential to interact with a host of other transport issues, be that congestion, active travel, the improved feel of community space or the uptake of ultra-low-emission vehicles. It is in that vein that local authorities should be looking to implement such zones. The Scottish Government is aiding local authorities in that, not least by setting the strategic context that I just mentioned. Future LEZ guidance will also help to set the measures in that context, and we are taking other practical action to make our transport system cleaner, greener and healthier and to improve air quality.

I am therefore pleased that we seem to have wide political support for the principles of LEZs. Helpfully, there has been some fruitful discussion during stage 1 about the specifics that will be set out in subsequent regulations. That has covered issues such as penalty levels, the national emission standard and exemptions. Such feedback builds on the extensive engagement that the Government is having on those issues, which is running in tandem with the bill’s progression.

There have also been questions as to whether specifics on such issues should be set out in the bill. It is worth remembering that LEZs are a new provision in Scotland. The flexibility afforded by secondary legislation is therefore necessary, as it allows proper engagement on development of the detail and an ability to respond to technological changes. I will reflect carefully on the comments of the Rural Economy and Connectivity Committee, as the lead committee, and those of the Delegated Powers and Law Reform Committee, to ensure that there is appropriate parliamentary scrutiny of those measures.

I turn to the bus provisions in the bill. When it comes to improving air quality, buses are part of the solution, and measures to incentivise bus services should be an intrinsic part of the wider proposals around modal shift in LEZ areas and beyond. The bill offers an ambitious new model for bus provision. The trend of declining bus patronage threatens networks across the country and we must work together to address that. However, the trend varies across Scotland, as do the causes, and I am clear that a one-size-fits-all approach will not work. The bill gives local authorities options to improve bus services in their areas, which will ensure that there are sustainable bus networks across Scotland. The bill will support local authorities to meet local needs, whether they wish to pursue partnership working or local franchising or, in certain circumstances, run their own buses.

On that last issue, I am aware that there have been calls for us to widen our proposal for local authorities to run commercially competitive services. As I have previously stated, I will continue to listen to views on that as we move towards stage 2. The bill will also improve the information on bus services that is available to passengers, which will help them to plan their journeys. That will make bus travel more accessible and attractive, and we know that people want it.

In the same item of business

The Presiding Officer (Ken Macintosh) NPA
The next item of business is a debate on motion S5M-16747, in the name of Michael Matheson, on stage 1 of the Transport (Scotland) Bill. 14:54
The Cabinet Secretary for Transport, Infrastructure and Connectivity (Michael Matheson) SNP
I welcome the opportunity to consider the stage 1 report on the Transport (Scotland) Bill, which is an ambitious and broad piece of legislation covering a wi...
Mike Rumbles (North East Scotland) (LD) LD
I am pleased that the cabinet secretary is willing to look at the issue of local authorities running commercially profitable routes, but will he outline what...
Michael Matheson SNP
The member will be aware that there are concerns in the bus industry about the impact that that could have on existing bus operators, as well as about the co...
John Mason (Glasgow Shettleston) (SNP) SNP
There are quite a lot of streets in our cities where there is not enough room for everything that we would like to do. Does the cabinet secretary accept that...
Michael Matheson SNP
I recognise that. Some city streets are too narrow for vehicles to park on both sides of the road and, at the same time, for vehicles to pass through. It is ...
Sandra White (Glasgow Kelvin) (SNP) SNP
If, as the bill states, exemptions to parking prohibitions are to be made by local authorities, will they consult their local communities to come to an agree...
Michael Matheson SNP
There is a provision for local authorities to undertake that process, which would include consulting local communities and other important partners such as e...
The Presiding Officer NPA
I call Edward Mountain to open on behalf of the Rural Economy and Connectivity Committee. 15:07
Edward Mountain (Highlands and Islands) (Con) Con
I am pleased to contribute to the debate in my capacity as the convener of the Rural Economy and Connectivity Committee. The committee’s stage 1 report on t...
Jamie Greene (West Scotland) (Con) Con
It is a pleasure to open the stage 1 debate on behalf of the Scottish Conservatives. I add my thanks to the clerks and my fellow committee members, many of w...
John Mason SNP
Will the member give way?
Jamie Greene Con
I am sorry, but I have very limited time. The best approach would be to empower local authorities to ban the practice of pavement parking where it needs to ...
John Finnie (Highlands and Islands) (Green) Green
Will Jamie Greene take an intervention on that point?
Jamie Greene Con
I will not. There is a lot to be positive about in the bill. We will take a constructive approach to amendments. However, there are several elements of the...
Colin Smyth (South Scotland) (Lab) Lab
I ask members to imagine a transport system in which our transport agencies have the powers properly to regulate public transport in their areas and to deliv...
Stewart Stevenson (Banffshire and Buchan Coast) (SNP) SNP
The member describes falling patronage and so on. Can he give us the equivalent numbers for bus patronage and Government support in Wales, where Labour is in...
Colin Smyth Lab
I can tell Mr Stevenson that there has been an 8 per cent fall in Scotland in the past few years, whereas the rate was 5 per cent in the rest of the United K...
John Finnie Green
Was that the member’s position when his councillor colleagues in Glasgow City Council and City of Edinburgh Council had such a proposal as part of their loca...
Colin Smyth Lab
The Parliament needs to make a decision first, because one of my deep concerns is that, under the proposals, if a car parking tax was introduced by City of E...
John Finnie (Highlands and Islands) (Green) Green
As colleagues have done, I thank the people who have contributed to the bill—the witnesses, our staff and the many organisations that have provided briefings...
Mike Rumbles (North East Scotland) (LD) LD
I state at the outset that I believe that the Transport (Scotland) Bill is important, and the Liberal Democrats will support it at decision time. The Govern...
John Finnie Green
Will Mike Rumbles give way?
Mike Rumbles LD
Oh, come on! I am only 30 seconds into my speech. We are told by the Government that the issue will be considered at stage 2, even if it was not considered...
Mike Rumbles LD
I will be more than happy to give way, but not just yet. I turn first to low-emission zones. If we are serious about creating effective low-emission zones i...
John Finnie Green
Will the member give way on that point?
Mike Rumbles LD
I will not, just now. The bill should be a great opportunity to tackle decline in bus use. Unfortunately, I do not agree with the cabinet secretary that the...
Jamie Greene Con
Is it therefore Lib Dem policy that there should be no exemptions to the ban on double parking? If so, how on earth is Mike Rumbles expecting to get in and o...
Mike Rumbles LD
I am talking about obstruction of pavements. In our report, the committee makes it clear that it is concerned that the “20 minutes for loading and unloadin...
Michael Matheson SNP
Can Mike Rumbles clarify whether his view is that there should be no exemption at all or that the 20-minute period is too long for the exemption?